Traitor Watch - The 45 Thread

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Oh yeah, the microwave noise. That reminds me.

There was an interesting article an age back that detailed that 50% (and up!) of the population does not host an inner monologue. I wanna see a venn diagram of those without thoughts, and republican voters.
 

KidTDragon

Now with hi-res avatar!
Citizen
I wanna see a venn diagram of those without thoughts, and republican voters.

Here you go:

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Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
Oh yeah, the microwave noise. That reminds me.

There was an interesting article an age back that detailed that 50% (and up!) of the population does not host an inner monologue. I wanna see a venn diagram of those without thoughts, and republican voters.
Almost envy them. My inner monologue won't shut up, even when I want it to...
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
I know there are a lot of dumb people in the world, but I'm not sure I'm ready to write off fully 70% of the population as being mentally disabled to the point where they don't deserve rights.
 

wonko the sane?

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Citizen
I know there are a lot of dumb people in the world, but I'm not sure I'm ready to write off fully 70% of the population as being mentally disabled to the point where they don't deserve rights.
Who said that? I just want to know what the overlap between the two groups are. Just because you don't have... thoughts... doesn't mean you don't deserve to have rights: it means we need to retool our education and social systems to account for that fact and start teaching people critical thinking from day 1.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
Who said that? I just want to know what the overlap between the two groups are. Just because you don't have... thoughts... doesn't mean you don't deserve to have rights: it means we need to retool our education and social systems to account for that fact and start teaching people critical thinking from day 1.
Nothing about that Medium article suggested you can just fix someone's lack of an inner monologue through education, any more than you could cure Down Syndrome.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
Citizen
I imagine it's quite liberating to have no inner monologue. Sometimes I think you can even tell by looking at someone's face if there are any wheels turning behind their eyes.
 

wonko the sane?

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Citizen
Nothing about that Medium article suggested you can just fix someone's lack of an inner monologue through education, any more than you could cure Down Syndrome.
It's not education: it's reflex training. When you drill into someone how to react to a situation over and over and over and over again: they will eventually react the way you trained them. That's what you do in this case, but with critical thinking skills. It's doesn't suddenly give them thoughts: but it makes them aware of context and question the event as they ******* well should. Idiot proofing idiots, as it were.

You start it young for everyone, and repeat through the entirety of the shared childhood experience.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
Citizen
FB friend:
The wealthy industrialists thought he was a clown, but they supported him because he privately assured them that he would protect their wealth and privilege. The militarists supported him because he promised to make the country great again. The racists supported him because they knew he was one of them. And the respectable people hoped that they would be able to moderate his clown personality once he got into office.

Who am I talking about? Adolf Hitler in 1933, of course. Who did you think I was talking about?
The problem with a religious fundamentalist political movement with a messianic saviour complex is that they literally believe they are fighting the devil, so they will naturally believe that ANY tactic they use, no matter how devious or cruel or underhanded or even illegal, is completely justified.

The rest of us are thinking that politics is about choosing between different sets of government policies, but these nutjobs think that politics is a cosmic battle between Good and Evil. That's why they're trying to undermine civil institutions and destroy civil discourse. They don't WANT society or government to run smoothly. They WANT chaos, because they want to exacerbate conflicts until they get their apocalyptic final battle of Good vs Evil.
 

G.B.Blackrock

Well-known member
Citizen
It's not education: it's reflex training. When you drill into someone how to react to a situation over and over and over and over again: they will eventually react the way you trained them. That's what you do in this case, but with critical thinking skills. It's doesn't suddenly give them thoughts: but it makes them aware of context and question the event as they ******* well should. Idiot proofing idiots, as it were.

You start it young for everyone, and repeat through the entirety of the shared childhood experience.
Critical thinking and reflex are mutually exclusive.
 

wonko the sane?

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Citizen
Not when the reflex is to think critically. It's the same principal as learning how to not panic.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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Citizen
Not when the reflex is to think critically. It's the same principle as learning how to not panic.
I deny that such a thing exists.

Thinking critically requires conciousness. It cannot be done by reflex. Even in your example, one must be taught to supress the reflex to panic. It is not a reflex not to panic.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
I deny that such a thing exists.

Thinking critically requires conciousness. It cannot be done by reflex. Even in your example, one must be taught to supress the reflex to panic. It is not a reflex not to panic.
So you're saying that you actually can LEARN how to not panic? So why can't you hijack the methodology to LEARN how to think critically? Critical thinking skills are actually taught. It's a key process in LEARNING to be an investigator, a reporter, an engineer and a myriad of other jobs and skills. Education reform experts have been screaming for YEARS that we need to teach children to think critically, and how to vet their information sources.

Teach it young, teach it to everyone, teach it consistently, and everyone will have critical thinking skills and the majority will use them as reflex. You teach everyone to replace the knee jerk outrage reactions with reasoned thought and deliberate consideration, and the greater volume of people will replace the rage with critical thought.
 


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