The COVID Vaccination Thread

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wonko the sane?

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Welp, almost 16 thousand cases in quebec yesterday. But here's the thing: that number is blatantly wrong.

Don't think poorly of me, that number has been wrong through the entire pandemic, but it's accurate enough to act as a rough guide, but it's absolutely useless now for a couple of different reasons.

1.) The fast tests have no end of trouble with the omicron varient, meaning the accuracy is at or below 50%.
2.) There is currently no way for the people using the fast test (which the government has been handing out.) at home to actually REGISTER their results with public health.
3.) The highly accurate PCR tests are currently (in quebec.) being reserved for the medical system, the long term care centers and the immuno-compromised.

So that almost 16 thousand only really reflects whats going on in hospitals and the CHSLDs across the province, and NOT the greater population. So a SLICE of the pie was 16 thousand.

Thanks for reading this far: long story short; we're fucked.
 

Shattered Trousers

That thing Ratchet needed.
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I can't see any reason to think poorly of you for what you wrote.

I don't have any answers on how to better deal with this situation we've globally found ourselves in, but I genuinely believe that people being better informed is a step in the right direction.
That means keeping accurate records of infection rates. That means not scaling back on testing to produce lower infection numbers. That means being clear about what RAT and PCR tests can and can't do and not pushing the RAT tests when they struggle so much with the omicron variant.

I can't decide which was a more frustrating phase to be in, the phase when we were (allegedly) trying everything we could to try to contain the case we have and prevent spread of infection while simultaneously letting people travel in from known sites of rampant infection and then wondering where all this virus could possibly be coming from, or the current "let 'er rip" phase where the number of new infections is skyrocketing and supply chains are breaking all over because 40% of the workforce are in isolation for testing positive or being a close contact of a confirmed positive case.

Right now, here in Australia, they who must be obeyed are looking at changing the definition of a "close contact" and making new policies for people in isolation to be allowed to return to work because too many people are potentially sick and that's starting to get inconvenient.

I'm afraid to suggest that if the barista at the PM's favourite cafe tests positive, or if the staff at the supermarket where he buys his toilet paper are found to be infectious we should just classify them as "to important to isolate" and send them to work so the PM can go about his daily life without the inconvenience of having to face how his country is being overtaken by sickness.

~L~
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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After hearing mentions from several people and looking into it, if you've been using cloth masks its time to go full N95/KN95/KF94, or better. Those three are mostly the same, except KN95 and KF94 use earloops instead of a headstrap(so potentially a less secure seal) and come from China or South Korea, respectively. The key is to get a solid seal, so if you have a long enough beard, you need to either shave it off or use an elastic exercise band to wrap it up against your chin - supposedly that lets you get a full seal too.

Random thought - how are BMVs even doing new Drivers License pictures? I mean they're making you take off glasses, so a mask ain't gonna cut it, but that's a high traffic building usually...
 

Nevermore

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The Mighty Mollusk

The bold ever fight on, their lives echoed in song
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Steevy Maximus

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So, due to the exploding number of COVID cases, some of the regional dialysis clinics will be unable to continue operating after Tuesday due to lack of supplies (namely, sterile tubing). The Dallas distribution center is reportedly empty, with some providers even planning roadtrips to the DC in Birmingha, Alabama to load up on supplies because it will be quicker than trying to go through the bureaucracy of getting stuff shipped to them.

It’s basically guaranteed there will a bunch of deaths relating to the lack of dialysis access for many patients.
 

wonko the sane?

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There will be deaths related to lack of supplies and space across ALL injuries, everything from abscesses to... something that begins with Z. That's kind of one of the things they tried to keep the pandemic under control for: to minimize all deaths across all injuries.
 

Kup

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After hearing mentions from several people and looking into it, if you've been using cloth masks its time to go full N95/KN95/KF94, or better.
I will follow mask mandates where required out of respect for authority. Son is double vax (about 3 weeks ago), wife boosted. Daughter and I both had it at Thanksgiving, so my booster and her initial vax is delayed until March.

All to say I’m done. We’ve worn masks when no one else was. We social distanced/avoided when everyone else opened up. We’ve homeschooled for two years. We got the vaccine, minus our daughter (who will once she’s allowed).

Fact is, based on my current understanding, even with masks Omicron doesn’t care. It requires the N-series you’ve mentioned, yet shouldn’t those be reserved for healthcare workers? If our cloth masks are effectively ineffective now, what’s the point? We’re at full-on let her rip as someone else said.

I’m just done with this whole thing. The lack of leadership, inconsistent messaging, backtracking, and economic-driven decisions and …I have no faith in any of our governments to handle this. At this point…what’s the point of caring anymore?
 

Rust

Slightly Off
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Current miracle cure by the anti-vax community is apparently *checks notes* Viagra, based on the latest episode of the Tucker Carlson Idiot Hour.

Pfizer's got brilliant marketing, I'll give them that much. Also have fun with your anti-vax acquantances by pointing out Pfizer made a COVID Vaccine, and obivously has laced all Viagra with it.
 

Teufel

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It'd be helpful if folks ruling on the constitutionality of vaccine mandates didn't just make jive up.

Link

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor falsely claimed that 100,000 children are in “serious condition” from Covid during oral arguments on the Biden administration’s employer vaccine mandate on Friday.

“We have hospitals that are almost at full capacity with people severely ill on ventilators. We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition, and many on ventilators,” Sotomayor claimed.

The current number of confirmed pediatric hospitalizations with Covid in the U.S. is 3,342, according to data from the Department of Health and Human Services released on Friday. The average number of children admitted to the hospital per day with Covid was 776 as of Tuesday, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement on Friday that “pediatric hospitalizations are at their highest rate compared to any prior point in the pandemic.” However, Walensky also told reporters that CDC data on pediatric Covid hospitalizations included some patients who were admitted to the hospital for a separate issue.
 

Rust

Slightly Off
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Reality left Washington D.C. over half a decade ago. Doesn't surprise me that these people all live in a bubble of their own reality.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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Fact is, based on my current understanding, even with masks Omicron doesn’t care. It requires the N-series you’ve mentioned, yet shouldn’t those be reserved for healthcare workers? If our cloth masks are effectively ineffective now, what’s the point? We’re at full-on let her rip as someone else said.

Reserving N* masks for healthcare workers was definitely a concern at the start back in 2020, but manufacturing has ramped up majorly since then. There's many more manufacturers these days than there were back then, and and far as I'm aware there is no shortage on the medical side; the guidance just has yet to be updated to reflect this(like how long it took to publish that its aerosol instead of just large droplets). It's a bit harder to find them in the "civillian market", but that's just because everyone's buying them. I literally walked into Home Depot on Friday and still found several boxes of 3M's N95s on the shelf in the painting section. There's online stores that carry them too, that I've seen recommended:
And Lowes/Home Depot/Menards should have some of them in the painting section.
Note: I would avoid Amazon as there's been reports of many counterfeit masks being sold through them.

Or simply look at the long list models tested in this spreadsheet:
The guy who runs that also has a lot of video reviews if that's your thing. The LG Airwashers are apparently one of his recommendations, but I was seeing good recommendations on the 3M Auras too.

It's all about defense in depth, and vaccine/booster is the last line of defense, not the first. There's plenty we can't control, but this is one that we do have some control over. There's more info being shared around here as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/Masks4All/
 

Pocket

Yep.
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So basically, those fashionable masks that an entire cottage industry sprung up around making back in 2020 are and always have been useless, and somehow we're only just now learning this.

Meanwhile, I'm assuming the overseas equivalents of the CDC figured it out a long time ago and it's just more proof that we're a nation of morons.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

The bold ever fight on, their lives echoed in song
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The fashion masks are better than nothing, but that's not really enough.

And frankly, that's the absolute least of the rampant stupidity in this country.
 

Rust

Slightly Off
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Also can I just say, as a guy who was diagnosed with Sleep Apnea just as COVID was rolling out, I GET being sick of masks. Sick of restrictions. Only when I'm home and not asleep can I ever stop wearing a mask.

I'm still wearing the mask.
 

TM2-Megatron

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Similar things have happened with some of the numbers in Ontario. Recently, the province's Chief medical officer admitted as many as half of reported COVID hospitalizations (one of the main justifications for our current lockdown and school closures) numbers are incidental... meaning the patient is actually checked in for some other reason (broken leg, etc, could be anything), and only tested positive for COVID after being admitted. Meaning they didn't even know they had it prior. It's certainly adding fuel to the fire for people who distrust the government.

While I've wanted to believe the government throughout all this, their incompetence throughout it all has caused me to doubt a lot of what they've said. I also can't support lockdowns anymore, as I believe the economic consequences are now becoming too great for even the government's ability to hold debt.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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Fact is, based on my current understanding, even with masks Omicron doesn’t care. It requires the N-series you’ve mentioned, yet shouldn’t those be reserved for healthcare workers?
That was true near the pandemic's beginnings due to shortages. There's no meaningful shortage of N-series masks now (not like then, at any rate). No reason to hold back/reserve for healthcare workers at this stage.
 

Nevermore

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So basically, those fashionable masks that an entire cottage industry sprung up around making back in 2020 are and always have been useless, and somehow we're only just now learning this.

Meanwhile, I'm assuming the overseas equivalents of the CDC figured it out a long time ago and it's just more proof that we're a nation of morons.
I'm actually quite shocked to find out you people are actually still using cotton masks at all.

Here in Germany, those were officially declared useless about a year ago! Everyone here (except for the anti-maskers) is using either medical masks or FFP2 (our equivalent to your N95) now.
 

wonko the sane?

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Well... shit.

I've been using a dual layer cotton mask religiously. Health canada never (to my knowledge.) declared them useless, and it allowed me to skip creating the waste of the disposable ones.

Guess I need to hit up a walmart or something.

Haven't gotten sick yet, though.
 
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