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#321 Fenix Twilight

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:09 AM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ May 7 2012, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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So, did anyone else's theater sell commemorative cups? Cuz ours did. I got the one with Banner and Iron Man, my friends two of the other ones, I believe there are four total.


I use mine for water. Water that is smart because it has two very smart people on it.

No but I bought a case of Dr. Pepper for the Avengers cans and was pretty annoyed when every last can was Cap.

I got a case of Nick Fury's, didn't think I'd have to buy separate cases for each can, which I am not going to do.

And no Avengers cups at the theater, only Battleship.

#322 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE(Msol @ May 9 2012, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And to be honest, I actually want to keep X-Men separate. I find it makes much more sense on it's own. FF, Daredevil, and Spidey? They all belong in a proper Movie MU.


Agreed on the X-Men. I barely think they should be sharing a comic universe with other super heroes.

Edited by Sean Whitmore, 09 May 2012 - 02:19 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:54 AM

I think it's better to keep the crossovers under control. Otherwise we get into problems of the "why didn't they help?" variety. Of course, that happens in the comics all the time. If some giant monster thing attacks New York and the Fantastic Four are fighting it, you have to wonder why the X-Men don't show up to help if they exist in the same setting. They sometimes do in crossover events of course, but all too often they don't and it seems odd.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:17 AM

QUOTE(Msol @ May 9 2012, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FF, Daredevil, and Spidey? They all belong in a proper Movie MU.


As in integrated with the current Avengers film universe? Maybe... but I wouldn't want to see so many characters all appearing in a single film. The Avengers was already close to what I feel must be maximum load in terms of how many major characters can be accommodated in a 2-3 hour runtime while still getting a decent amount of focus and interaction with each other. Without going back and re-reading the thread, I can also remember people suggesting adding Adam Warlock, Captain Mar-vell, and Vision into the mix. Thanks to a couple years of playing Marvel's Overpower CCG in Jr. High, I've actually heard of all three of those characters (I often used Vision, actually); but I doubt so many characters could be added to what's already a pretty large team. I guess they could leave out a character or two in a movie while substituting in others, but I think Cap, Iron Man, and The Hulk should at least always be retained. Probably Thor too, as I've grown to like his character quite a bit and he's basically the only member of the current team who's going to be at all familiar with the wider Universe that Earth is soon going to come up against.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:36 AM

Something occurred to me. Since Captain America is revealed to be the real deal in-universe and still alive I imagine his memorabilia value would sky rocket.

His movies, USO suit, comics such as the first issue Howard left for Tony, and of course trading cards. (Poor Phil his near mint cards were ruined)

Edited by RedWolf, 09 May 2012 - 08:36 AM.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:59 AM

If they are going to be fighting Thanos, at least one character who is familiar with him needs to be added. It may end up being Adam Warlock, what with the plans for a GotG film, but I'd just as soon it be Mar-Vell.

Edited by Dr Corvus, 09 May 2012 - 09:01 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:39 AM

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More than anything, this movie really makes me wish WB would stop messing up all the DC movies. I would be ecstatic to see a DC cinematic universe pulled off this well. Most of the movies leading into The Avengers weren't all that special, but the sum of all the parts has absolutely been great.


Wait until Nolan's Batman trilogy is finished; his version of Batman is pretty "realistic" and wouldn't lend well to mixing with other superheroes. Figure 3 years out for a new Batman after DKR. Based on previous DC comments and just on common sense, I have a feeling after Man of Steel that they will reboot Batman and start working towards a Justice League movie in 7-10 years.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:57 AM

Yes, with a lot of luck and a whole new movie making approach DC too could have a successful superhero movie universe in just a decade or two! icon-arcee.gif


On the subject of adding cast members... Yeah, this film is just about at maximum capacity characterwise. BUT there are ways around that. While I liked them all, I think a future movie could easily do without Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury (off on another mission), Hulk (Banner off the grid) or and any given one of the Cap/Thor/Iron Man trinity. Ctainly a couple could get by with Pepper Pots style cameos. It's easy enough then to free up room for some new blood.

In Avengers 2 I'd add Antman and Wasp (hopefully after a solo film) and then have a Mar-Vel cameo where he helps create/inspire the current Carol Danvers Capt. Marvel. Use Antman as a catalyst to create Ultron and Vision for Avengers 3

-ZacWilliam, or something cooler. Basically I'd just like to work Pym, the Wasp, Carol, Vision, and maybe She Hulk into the universe.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:29 PM

Eh, I hope it never gets that campy.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ May 9 2012, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the subject of adding cast members... I think a future movie could easily do without Hawkeye, Black Widow, Nick Fury, Hulk or and any given one of the Cap/Thor/Iron Man trinity. Ctainly a couple could get by with Pepper Pots style cameos.


It's not really an avengers movie at this point, it's an "insert hero here with special guest star" movie.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:31 PM

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It's not really an avengers movie at this point, it's an "insert hero here with special guest star" movie.


Depends how it's handled. If Marvel gets in front of things and starts building up new heroes (in both starring and supporting roles) with an eye towards the next Avengers, audiences will go with it.

If they sit back and let the belief be fostered that the Avengers are just these 6 characters period, then yeah, roster changes are gonna be hard to pull off. Especially if they try to leave out any of the Big 3 or Hulk; it'll be seen as doing a Blues Brothers sequel without John Belushi.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:40 PM

Would it work though?
I consider myself a geek but I don't really know anything about the Vison, Adam Warlock, Mar-vell etc. The characters in the first movie (aside from Black Widow) were all instantly familiar to me, and probably to casual fans I'd argue. I think they should be very careful about how they do the next one and avoid picking character designs that are a bit dated or very sci-fi. I reckon Cap or Iron Man should always be there to ground the audience a bit.
I guess it depends how they adapt them to the screen though...
BTW no-one's mentioning Dr Stranger, is he not a big Marvel character these days? I'm sure he had a rumoured movie too at one point.

Edited by BlitzwingHaz, 09 May 2012 - 02:41 PM.



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Posted 09 May 2012 - 02:53 PM

It'll be easier in some ways, and harder in others.

On the one hand, audiences are probably going to be more likely to try out-there concepts thanks to "the studio that brought you Iron Man and the Avengers".

On the other hand, we shouldn't pretend that Marvel hasn't already given us its A-list. There's a reason Iron Man, Thor and Cap have maintained continuing series since the 60s and, say, Ant Man and Doctor Strange and Black Panther haven't. On the surface they seem similar; science hero, magic hero, and inspirational leader hero. But the former three have human elements that make them extra compelling and open up wider storytelling possibilities, and that's why they're always around compared to the latter three's spurts of popularity.

I'm not saying Ant Man can't be a great movie, I love Ant Man. Just that Marvel's gonna have to work on how to sell him on his own merits.

Edited by Sean Whitmore, 09 May 2012 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:03 PM

I think the only Avengers that could be subed for are Hawkeye and Black Widow. In the films they are 2nd bananas at best and could easily be replaces by Ant-Man and Wasp after they get their movie.

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:22 PM

And Smitty shows what a non-comic book fan he is.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:43 PM

Black isn't going anywhere as she's an easy woman on the team. Hawkeye is far more important to Avengers mythos than some really understand.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 03:56 PM

Getting back to this movie, it really was pretty damn smart to brainwash Hawkeye for most of the movie. It allowed him to show off without being in the shadow of the other heroes, and it allowed the narrative to cut from the good guy camp to the bad guy's machinations without technically taking all the Avengers off the screen.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:01 PM

And a likely nod to the fact that he started out as a villain in comics.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:11 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ May 9 2012, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Black isn't going anywhere as she's an easy woman on the team. Hawkeye is far more important to Avengers mythos than some really understand.


Honestly. Cutting these characters loose because they aren't super powered gods is a frustrating idea. Their characters DO matter.

Also, I'd just like to point out that Avengers DID become an insert special guest star series before Bendis disassembled them. I mean, Jack of Hearts? With Whedon at the helm and left unmolested by studios, I think we could get a great deal of past Avengers in one movie without it being a jive storm.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:37 PM

Hawkeye didn't have jack crap to do with the Avengers when I was reading it. I never liked that guy.



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