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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#1 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:32 PM


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:12 PM

Tfw is reporting that a clip from an upcoming episode of Prime was shown.

HIGHLIGHT to view:

Seems to be a flashback episode involving Cliffjumper and Arcee crossing paths with Starscream and.........SHOCKWAVE!!!

Edited by TriBlurr, 28 April 2012 - 08:14 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:14 PM

QUOTE(TriBlurr @ Apr 28 2012, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tfw is reporting that a clip from an upcoming episode of Prime was shown.


HIGHLIGHT to view:
Seems to be a flashback episode involving Cliffjumper and Arcee crossing paths with Starscream and.........SHOCKWAVE!!!

That ties neatly into an idea I had about this week's episode.

Edited by Silent_Magnus, 28 April 2012 - 08:14 PM.



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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE(TriBlurr @ Apr 28 2012, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tfw is reporting that a clip from an upcoming episode of Prime was shown.

HIGHLIGHT to view:

Seems to be a flashback episode involving Cliffjumper and Arcee crossing paths with Starscream and.........SHOCKWAVE!!!

If they don't tweak the models to be pre-Earth, it's just gonna bug the crap out of me for the whole episode.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:22 PM

QUOTE(Fishbug @ Apr 28 2012, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TriBlurr @ Apr 28 2012, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tfw is reporting that a clip from an upcoming episode of Prime was shown.
HIGHLIGHT to view:

Seems to be a flashback episode involving Cliffjumper and Arcee crossing paths with Starscream and.........SHOCKWAVE!!!

If they don't tweak the models to be pre-Earth, it's just gonna bug the crap out of me for the whole episode.

I would prepare to be pretty furiously bugged, then.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:35 PM

Oh...and Wheeljack won the HOF vote.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE(TriBlurr @ Apr 28 2012, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh...and Wheeljack won the HOF vote.

This is because I split my voted between two other characters isn't it?
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:44 PM

No one reads the Allspark's tweets aye?

Yes it was Wheeljack who won and HIGHLIGHT to view:
Shockwave was shown in a flash back with Arcee, Cliffjumper, and Starscream

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:45 PM

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No one reads the Allspark's tweets aye?

I do!


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:19 PM

I haven't used twitter in months.

I don't especially miss it.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE(TriBlurr @ Apr 28 2012, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh...and Wheeljack won the HOF vote.


About time we had a non Beast Wars character. Plus, while Hasbro was allowing Beast Wars Megatron, he really was already in the HOF, thanks to rules. Optimus Primal is more of a distinct name alteration, rather than just another Megatron.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:30 PM

Speaking of little things that bug us, I spent every highlight reel obsessing over any absences.

"Why no Animated Grimlock? Where's Animated Arcee and Rodimus? No movie Wheelja--eh, that one I get."
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

Seems like a bit of a waste: if they're going to continue doing inductees, he would have been a shoo-in for next year. Ah well.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:21 PM

Wow, what a waste. A character who would have gotten in automatically anyway basically won over a character like BW Megs and Skybyte who now lost their only chance to get in. With the huge G1 fetish Hasbro has these days and all, and past history, Wheeljack would have easily gotten in next year.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 10:52 PM

QUOTE(Monocle @ Apr 28 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, what a waste. A character who would have gotten in automatically anyway basically won over a character like BW Megs and Skybyte who now lost their only chance to get in. With the huge G1 fetish Hasbro has these days and all, and past history, Wheeljack would have easily gotten in next year.

What do you mean by "lost their only chance"? As long as new inductees are being accepted, everyone (except Erector) has a new chance each year.

Can anyone tell us what songs went with the character videos? And what did Chris Latta's family say when they accepted his award?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE(Aberration @ Apr 28 2012, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Monocle @ Apr 28 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, what a waste. A character who would have gotten in automatically anyway basically won over a character like BW Megs and Skybyte who now lost their only chance to get in. With the huge G1 fetish Hasbro has these days and all, and past history, Wheeljack would have easily gotten in next year.

What do you mean by "lost their only chance"? As long as new inductees are being accepted, everyone (except Erector) has a new chance each year.

Can anyone tell us what songs went with the character videos? And what did Chris Latta's family say when they accepted his award?


And tell me, what is the chance of them getting in a fan choice vote again? Not likely, especially choices like poor Skybite.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:15 PM

I still can't quite believe he got a nomination to begin with.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE(Monocle @ Apr 29 2012, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Aberration @ Apr 28 2012, 11:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Monocle @ Apr 28 2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, what a waste. A character who would have gotten in automatically anyway basically won over a character like BW Megs and Skybyte who now lost their only chance to get in. With the huge G1 fetish Hasbro has these days and all, and past history, Wheeljack would have easily gotten in next year.

What do you mean by "lost their only chance"? As long as new inductees are being accepted, everyone (except Erector) has a new chance each year.

Can anyone tell us what songs went with the character videos? And what did Chris Latta's family say when they accepted his award?


And tell me, what is the chance of them getting in a fan choice vote again? Not likely, especially choices like poor Skybite.

Well, no, not if people don't care enough about him to spell his name correctly.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

Why even have a Hall of Fame if the legacy characters who lose are auto-inducts the next year? Just seems to encourage people to not vote for them, and make people think that the niche characters are always going to win there.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 11:30 PM


When I voted for Sky-Byte on three different devices every day for two weeks, I figured either he would actually win or it would go to Bwegatron because other people liked that character enough to go through the same rigamarole for his sake.

I'm honestly disappointed now.



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