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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#101 StarScreamZX

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:20 PM

Eh, if I could only buy 1 version of Bruticus, it would be the regular retail version. Overall, I like that deco just a little bit more. I'm going to try and get the SDCC version as well (love that box) but I doubt I'll be able to get 1 via the Hasbro TS.

Don't think my chances of getting a MP Prime at a TRU around here are very high either. Pretty much convinced at this point that the scalpers hogging all the nice TRU exclusives TFs are TRU employees!

Biggest surprise for me so far is how much I actually dig that TFP Wheeljack redeco. Awesome new head sculpt too.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:25 PM

Those Legion Cassettebot disks are right from Kamen Rider aren't they? (just smaller of course).



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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:51 PM


Apart from Thundertron it sounds like a total snorefest. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't think FOC should "count" in the greatest hits legacy line.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:58 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Apr 28 2012, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apart from Thundertron it sounds like a total snorefest. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't think FOC should "count" in the greatest hits legacy line.


Since when is Generations that? And By the logic, I don't think Black Shadow or Junkheap should have been in the line either, since when were they "great hits"?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:58 PM

If the designs weren't being used in IDW I might be a little hesitant, but I'm still pumped.

I've wanted a line of cybertronian vehicles since I saw MTMTE, so I can't complain that they're gonna dominate the shelves next year.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 07:59 PM

I like WFC/FOC stuff. New Prime-Pirate sounds interesting.

Overall something of a lackluster reveal.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Apr 28 2012, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apart from Thundertron it sounds like a total snorefest. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't think FOC should "count" in the greatest hits legacy line.


Seriously. About the only FOC toy I want right now is Shockwave. And I'd gladly pass on him for a Voyager-sized G1-style version.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:14 PM

Soundwave looks great. I wonder how much influence Bakugan had on them doing these Recordicons. I'm a little disappointed that Laserbeak is a bird instead of the alien thing he was in MTMTE. Ravage is far and away the best looking mold, which is good for me because he's the character I'm most likely to buy. I probably won't get the Recordicons I already have G1 toys of (Ravage aside), but I fervently hope for a Howlback, Garboil, Enemy, and Wingthing.

I'm eager to hear more about these Generations voyagers. Given the return of tape guys, I'm hoping we'll get a nice Blaster; and I hope he'd have a Marvel head, which probably isn't likely. It would be nice to get another crack at G1 Optimus in that size, as I'm not a fan of the Classics mold.

I like Kickback's robot mode a lot, but I can't make any sense of his bug mode. I'll need to stare at the photos a bit longer.

I'm glad they're still doing Generations molds with alternate heads, but the two we know of so far don't interest me. I don't need the tiniest Magnus, particularly when we've got Prime Magnus on the horizon, and I'm perfectly happy with the existing Spy Streak redeco as my Cybertronian Fireflight. I really want to know who else is getting Jazz's mold.

I'm really looking forward to Thundertron, and I'll be interested to see how he and the Star Seekers will be worked into the fiction. Are they for the show? Are they just in games?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE(Chip @ Apr 28 2012, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm really looking forward to Thundertron, and I'll be interested to see how he and the Star Seekers will be worked into the fiction. Are they for the show? Are they just in games?

So far they're just in the novels.
In Exiles it seemed they were setting them up as a future big threat.
For what medium that's supposed to payoff in we have no clue.

edit: Oh yeah, I forgot, the Star Seekers are involved with that Asian MMO aren't they?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:26 PM

That MP-10 is mine. I know where my local TRU's employees hide things they want for themselves, so I'm sure I'll be able to find one.

I'm just worried about quality control. My TRU MP Roddy came with a broken shoulder and I never saw another one in stores so I wasn't able to replace it.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:39 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Apr 28 2012, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did they show a photo of Prime Runamuck, and if so what did he look like? This is important to me as I'm right in the middle of customizing a set of Runatwins.

I believe the reports of Prime Runamuck are actually referencing the Rumble that we already knew about and have seen a few small pictures of (blue car, big piledriver arms).

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Apr 28 2012, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Apart from Thundertron it sounds like a total snorefest. I'm sure I'm not the only person who doesn't think FOC should "count" in the greatest hits legacy line.

Yeah, that's a lot of nobodies... Shockwave? Combaticons? Optimus Prime? Jazz? Sideswipe? Starscream? Ultra Magnus? Who are all these losers?

Yeah, I know, FOC isn't G1... it's just most of the same characters from G1 telling the G1 story in the context of a video game series and that's totally different somehow.

I apologize for the snark, but the complaint just seems so misplaced to me. The only reason these don't "count" to some people is because Hasbro tells us they aren't the same... except when they are.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(gargunkle @ Apr 28 2012, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did they show a photo of Prime Runamuck, and if so what did he look like? This is important to me as I'm right in the middle of customizing a set of Runatwins.

I believe the reports of Prime Runamuck are actually referencing the Rumble that we already knew about and have seen a few small pictures of (blue car, big piledriver arms).

I wouldn't mind him being renamed Runamuck. Maybe we'll get a red Prime Over-Run to go with him icon-fire.gif

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:47 PM

I think that perception of Generations as being updated older characters comes from having started out as Classics.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:03 PM

I think it's a good thing that Hasbro is supporting the new video game with toys though. When you like a certain TF cartoon or comic or video game, you want toy versions of those characters. And seeing these FoC designs pop up in TF comics definitely makes me want to own the toys.
Classic style Transformers are my favorite modern TFs as well, but I'm sure we'll see plenty of those next year. As long as Classic style TFs are done every other year, I'm perfectly happy and everyone will get to see their favorite G1 toys updated at one point icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:07 PM


No, Lukeblast, they "don't count" because they are in the wrong bodies as depicted only in one story medium that I never played and don't care about. A bigger Soundwave as ugly spacecar is no more satisfying than the small Soundwave ugly spacecar we got a year ago. This is no different than putting a dozen Hearts Of Steel character models into the greatest hits line at once - they're really not greatest hits.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:08 PM

QUOTE(Silent_Magnus @ Apr 28 2012, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I don't get people saying that SDCC Bruticus will be hard to get.
It's not like last year's Matrix Prime was immediately scarce.


But he was borring and unexciting. There really wasn't much demand at all.

Look at last years Starscream and Cobra Commander set. That was exciting and lusted for and that was impossible to get almost instantly.


-ZacWilliam, that's what folks are figuring.

People also thought the NYCC Arcee and Bumblebee set was going to sell out in minutes.
I know it is a lot smaller convention, but I'm saying I don't know if these things are really that easy to predict anymore.


Well it did help that it was hard to find the Hasbro booth. Plus, this was Hasbro's first year at NYCC, nobody expected them there, or even guessed they'd have a fairly decent exclusive. By the time it was announced, NYCC was partially sold out.

So, it wasn't like there were that many Hasbro specific fans there, representatives of online stores making purchases, or eBay resellers. That might change this year.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:13 PM

If Thundertron looks good, my Cannonball may get a new crew member. icon-fire.gif

I like the original deluxe Cybertronian Soundwave, but I always thought he was too small compared to Classics Megatron, the main Megs of my collection. If this new Voyager Soundwave ends up being really good, he may well replace that Soundwave as the one I always trio-up with Megs and Cybertron Starscream. icon-ironhide.gif The disc-launching gimmick (and transforming discs!) are extra icing on the cake. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:13 PM

That MP-10 seems too good to be true. Awesome!

Now that more people have seen Bruticus up close, does it look like it can be adjusted to have better proportions, or is that as good as it gets? It does look better there than it did in prior pics, but can it be improved?

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:18 PM

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That MP-10 seems too good to be true. Awesome!


Unless Hasbro inexplicably removes some plastic covering, like they did with Rodimus. Personally, I'm going to wait for comparisons between the two molds.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 09:35 PM

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No, Lukeblast, they "don't count" because they are in the wrong bodies as depicted only in one story medium that I never played and don't care about. A bigger Soundwave as ugly spacecar is no more satisfying than the small Soundwave ugly spacecar we got a year ago. This is no different than putting a dozen Hearts Of Steel character models into the greatest hits line at once - they're really not greatest hits.

But Hasbro wants them to be greatest hits.

We're just gonna have to live with that.
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