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Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

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That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

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Did you at least buy him dinner?

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So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

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Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.


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#561 Fnu Aw

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:14 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ May 14 2012, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Yeah, Animated handled the Dinobots horribly which was my biggest complaint about the series. They took what is arguably the most iconic Autobot subgroup and made them into low-rent reoccurring villains who hardly got any screen time. Way to miss the point, guys.

Not even villains. More like doofy obstacles.


So, exactly the G1 cartoon Dinobots.

The G1 cartoon Dinobots weren't so bad prior to season 3.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:20 PM

No, they kind of were. They were created because Spike Witwicky saw some dinosaur bones and so Wheeljack made some new dinosaur Autobots randomly and decided these giant war machines should be really dumb because real dinosaurs are dumb.

And so Wheeljack turns them on and the first thing they do is make a line to Teletraan I and destroy it.

So they lock them up in the closet because they're too dumb and powerful to live.

THE END.

The sequel: Later, they're so stupid that Megatron can get them to work for the Decepticons and hate the Autobots after maybe two whole sentences.

The other sequel: They're so dumb and hard to deal with the Autobots try to abandon them on an island.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 08:44 PM

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ May 14 2012, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, they kind of were. They were created because Spike Witwicky saw some dinosaur bones and so Wheeljack made some new dinosaur Autobots randomly and decided these giant war machines should be really dumb because real dinosaurs are dumb.

And so Wheeljack turns them on and the first thing they do is make a line to Teletraan I and destroy it.

So they lock them up in the closet because they're too dumb and powerful to live.

THE END.

The sequel: Later, they're so stupid that Megatron can get them to work for the Decepticons and hate the Autobots after maybe two whole sentences.

The other sequel: They're so dumb and hard to deal with the Autobots try to abandon them on an island.


Come on... it's not like the Dr Smoov parody in which he made them dumb on purpose. He didn't know how to make them smarter. Later, he gave them hats that tried to make them smarter but it was beyond his skill.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE(Kalidor @ May 14 2012, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ May 14 2012, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, they kind of were. They were created because Spike Witwicky saw some dinosaur bones and so Wheeljack made some new dinosaur Autobots randomly and decided these giant war machines should be really dumb because real dinosaurs are dumb.

And so Wheeljack turns them on and the first thing they do is make a line to Teletraan I and destroy it.

So they lock them up in the closet because they're too dumb and powerful to live.

THE END.

The sequel: Later, they're so stupid that Megatron can get them to work for the Decepticons and hate the Autobots after maybe two whole sentences.

The other sequel: They're so dumb and hard to deal with the Autobots try to abandon them on an island.


Come on... it's not like the Dr Smoov parody in which he made them dumb on purpose. He didn't know how to make them smarter. Later, he gave them hats that tried to make them smarter but it was beyond his skill.


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:22 PM

I treat that video like it's canon.
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#567 Kalidor

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:22 PM

I think a lot of people do. It was pretty brilliant icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:29 PM

My favorite is still Shockwave's burden.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 10:38 PM

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#570 Kalidor

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:02 PM

Comic dinobots weren't. Cartoon dinobots decided that the people they shouldn't kill were the ones with the same face as on their own chests. And half the time they didn't even get THAT right.

But they were far from useless. I thought they did particularly well in Arise, Atlantis, Arise!

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:21 PM

Dante, sometimes I wonder what version of the G1 cartoon you were watching.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 11:26 PM

I'm more curious about what version of Animated he's been watching... O.o

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 03:31 AM

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How many of the "other Autobots" wrecked Teletran-1 and had to go solely by insignia for threat identification?

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 03:34 AM

Yet another argument against rub signs:

If you wear one, the Dinobots will probably kill you.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 06:19 AM

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 06:45 AM

Me want Dinobots!

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:14 AM

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Perhaps tangential to the overall discussion, perhaps not... I speculated that perhaps the problem with Dinobots is that they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes.
I already pointed out that there are plenty of dinos in Transformers that the Dinobots could be repainted into. Overkill and Trypticon have been done, there there is Terrorsaur, Slugfest, and plenty of Dinosaur like monsters out there for retools of the Dinobots.
And once again, my thought was that the MOLDS could be the issue more than the colors they come in.

For the luvva Mike, you quoted me saying "they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes" and countered that with "they could repaint them into other characters".
Yeah but Hasbro has been putting alternate parts in the molds for figures for 6 years now. Why do you assume this would stop with new Dinobots?

A different robot head does not make a Tyrannosaurus not a Tyrannosaurus. Especially when packaged in alt mode.

The average customer is trained to see cars and planes in different colors as unique. Put U Sideswipe and Sunstreaker in front of them, and "he has the red car, but not the yellow car".
The average customer is not trained to see a dinosaur in different colors as unique. Put Grimlock and Overkill in front of them, and "doesn't he already have the T-Rex?"

Again, I'm speculating. I'll admit it. I'm not trained in marketing trends or privy to the studies that Hasbro (and/or other companies) perform when they say they can't bring the Dinobots to market. However, we all have a tendency to assume it's color-based and argue from there. I'm just tossing out the idea that maybe it's not the color of the dinosaurs, but the dinosaurs themselves. If this is the problem, no amount of repainting and alternate robot heads will fix it. Even media exposure would not necessarily allow for the normally-desired reuse potential.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:18 AM

So then remold the BEAST head!

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 08:19 AM

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Yeah, Animated handled the Dinobots horribly which was my biggest complaint about the series. They took what is arguably the most iconic Autobot subgroup and made them into low-rent reoccurring villains who hardly got any screen time. Way to miss the point, guys.

Not even villains. More like doofy obstacles.


So, exactly the G1 cartoon Dinobots.

No, I wouldn't say that.


The G1 version were, at the end of the day, clearly Autobots, and they actually did fight Decepticons. And they were explicitly really good at it. I'm not amongst those who deny that the G1 Dinobots were about as a bright as a day-old glowstick, but they did get to kick some ass on multiple occasions.

Also, they all had voices, which kind of helps, too.

In Animated, most of what the Dinobots did was being whipped into obedience by villains that wouldn't have been enough of a threat on their own and proceed to be overcome with relative ease. That's what I mean when I call them "doofy obstacles".

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