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@  Plokatron : (30 August 2016 - 07:25 PM)

Whoop I'm back and been a way for a while. But I'm back and I'm going to try to stay with the forum more often. Also to anyone interesed I just made a update to my Sprite topic http://www.allspark....shop/?p=3325815

@  Bass X0 : (30 August 2016 - 01:10 PM)

Peter Ostrum should return in a new Chocolate Factory movie where Charlie Bucket is the 60 year old owner planning to pass his Chocolate Factory to a lucky child as Willy Wonka had done for him all those years ago. Obviously it wouldn't be based on any existing story, just a new continuation of the original without being a remake.

@  Bass X0 : (29 August 2016 - 01:30 PM)

Duckman is indeed better than Beast Wars.

@  Telly : (29 August 2016 - 01:12 PM)

well i went to dollar general looking for the beast wars dvd. didnt find them. but i found something BETTER: seasons 1 and 2 of duckman!!! and for only $2.95!

@  Bass X0 : (29 August 2016 - 01:05 PM)

And Aloha Darth Vader is a Fairy type.

@  ▲ndrusi : (29 August 2016 - 09:54 AM)

Yeah, and Alola Form Sith are fire-type.

@  Touch My Thighs : (29 August 2016 - 05:37 AM)

Some regional variations actually have some cool headdress-type things instead of the black hood.

@  Rycochet : (29 August 2016 - 05:20 AM)

Sith Robes? Really?

@  Kalidor : (28 August 2016 - 09:48 PM)

Most google ads base their content on sites you've visited - so you're probably visiting a lot of news sites.

@  unluckiness : (28 August 2016 - 09:33 AM)

What, you don't find Sith robes attractive?

@  Pennpenn : (28 August 2016 - 09:26 AM)

Anyone else getting Muslim dating sites turning up in the ads? I mean, talk about mistargetted adverising...

@  Telly : (27 August 2016 - 11:21 PM)

gonna have to take a trip to dollar general in the next few days

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 August 2016 - 09:26 PM)

Seriously, Shout Factory's Beast Wars Season 2 and 3 4 DVD set was at Dollar General for 2.95

@  Robowang : (27 August 2016 - 09:15 PM)

Whaaaaaaaaaat

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 August 2016 - 08:29 PM)

Why no, I'm not adversed to getting Beast Wars Seasons 2 and 3 DVD set for 2.95 (At Dollar General)

@  Patchouli Kn... : (27 August 2016 - 09:34 AM)

A big thank you to everyone who contributed to my GoFundMe! =D

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 August 2016 - 07:42 AM)

Especially if it's an escort mission.

@  Pennpenn : (27 August 2016 - 07:29 AM)

I can't believe I forgot one of the core rules of video games. When the question is "They can't be that stupid, can they?" the answer is almost always "Yes they can".

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 August 2016 - 06:56 AM)

I think the meme needs to be transferred back to Vin Diesel

@  BlackMax : (27 August 2016 - 06:09 AM)

CHUCK NORRIS NO!

@  lastmaximal : (27 August 2016 - 12:19 AM)

Yes?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 August 2016 - 06:39 PM)

Chuck Norris

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 August 2016 - 04:59 PM)

Goodnight, everybody!

@  Bass X0 : (26 August 2016 - 04:57 PM)

...I don't think so.

@  BlackMax : (26 August 2016 - 04:55 PM)

No no no, ~finger~prints!

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 August 2016 - 04:43 PM)

I'd say "Goodnight, everybody!" but no one's made an innuendo yet.

@  Bass X0 : (26 August 2016 - 04:39 PM)

Goodnight out there... whatever you are!

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 03:27 PM)

Goodnight, folks!

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 03:09 PM)

*drags TMM out of the Squawkbox to continue the fight*

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 02:26 PM)

I dunno, maybe the big guy's saving it for a special ocassion.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 01:16 PM)

Your spouse's brother is a PRIEST. If you were supposed to get hit by lightning, it would've happened by now.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Now I want to make devil's food cake with holy water just to see if I get hit by lightning or something.

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 10:10 AM)

I hope not. Ruins the flavour.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 09:09 AM)

Did I put garlic or holy water in it or something?

@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.


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#521 Lukeblast

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ May 10 2012, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seems kind of silly to assume that this dinosaur recognition issue is so complex considering two decades ago Dinobots kept shipping for years due to popularity despite all featuring similar colors (and selling at a higher pricepoint). Then again in Euro Classics and G2.

That is the entire problem with this idea - it has been done before and done very successfully.

Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 11 2012, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.


Just as it requires actual willful ignorance to ignore hugely successful lines where most of the items are much more similar than the Dinobots, such as Pixar's Cars, Thomas and Friends or virtually *all* girls lines. Heck, Power Rangers differentiates itself on nothing more than colour.

The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:13 PM

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The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

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I don't think anybody claimed they couldn't.

Heck, I opened this line of discussion on the basis that the best way to get a set of Dinobots out to market again is to be non-traditionalist. Getting all five, in their classic grey/red/gold colourschemes is the real hurdle in today's retailer-controlled market.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE(The Phazer @ May 11 2012, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 11 2012, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.


Just as it requires actual willful ignorance to ignore hugely successful lines where most of the items are much more similar than the Dinobots, such as Pixar's Cars, Thomas and Friends or virtually *all* girls lines. Heck, Power Rangers differentiates itself on nothing more than colour.

The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

Phazer

Who are you arguing with?

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:58 AM

QUOTE(The Phazer @ May 11 2012, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 11 2012, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.


Just as it requires actual willful ignorance to ignore hugely successful lines where most of the items are much more similar than the Dinobots, such as Pixar's Cars, Thomas and Friends or virtually *all* girls lines. Heck, Power Rangers differentiates itself on nothing more than colour.

All of those having significant, wildly popular, and global media exposure to drive home the idea that the similar/repainted versions are unique. Dinobots do not currently have that benefit.

Additionally, and as I noted before, customers are practically trained to see repainted cars as unique--that's most of the diecast aisle. It also fits right into the Transformers design/repaint philosophy in a way that a bunch of dinosaurs do not. The girls' lines are similar, in that customers are trained to see various Barbies (for example) that are merely outfitted in different ways as individuals.

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The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

The suggestion was brought up, discussed, and I don't believe anyone even attempted to counter it.

Not that ANYTHING you said has a single thing to do with one word I that I said.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 02:05 AM

Yeah, it'd be one thing if Hasbro had a show called "TERRIFIC TRANSFORMIN' SUPER DINOBOTS" about a group of teenage dinorobot ninjas with attitude taking council from a floating Grand Mal. But they don't, they have a show called Transformers, which has dozens of concepts, of which the Dinobots had increasingly become marginalized over the past decade and Grimlock increasingly becoming synedochic of the Dinobots in general. We'll see what FOC does for them.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 02:54 AM

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"TERRIFIC TRANSFORMIN' SUPER DINOBOTS" about a group of teenage dinorobot ninjas with attitude taking council from a floating Grand Mal.


NOTE: I want this as a Botcon set at some point.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:44 AM

Perhaps tangential to the overall discussion, perhaps not... I speculated that perhaps the problem with Dinobots is that they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes.

Power Rangers has been brought up a few times, and I notice that the property tends to get a lot of non-media product... motorcycles and action-feature figures and entire zords on occasion. But something they almost never do is repaint the "show-Zords" outright. I've never seen it happen outside of a few TRU-exclusives in the Lost Galaxy era, and those were themselves several years old and long off the shelves.

I wonder if that isn't in the same ballpark... they repaint the figures because "the Batman effect" says you can do all kinds of crazy variants of your main character and people will accept it as whatever you intend and/or buy multiple versions of the same character. But the robots... repainting the robot and potentially getting it on the shelf next to the original version could work against them. If it's too obvious customers will assume it's the same thing, even if it isn't. Then you run the risk of thinning out the interest in the original/primary version if/when people buy the repaint instead.

Looking at the toy aisles, the stuff that gets away with repaints tends toward vehicles and "traditional" action figures. There's plenty of "creatures" in various toylines, but even when those are reused, they tend to take a break and the previous version(s) are long off the shelves. Hasbro's desires tend toward things they can repaint immediately, not stuff they have to sit on for a few years before they can reuse.

Again, I'm just speculating here. There are probably copious examples to support and dispute me. It's merely a spitballing of ideas on how things might work based on too many visits to the toy department.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:02 AM

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"TERRIFIC TRANSFORMIN' SUPER DINOBOTS" about a group of teenage dinorobot ninjas with attitude taking council from a floating Grand Mal.


NOTE: I want this as a Botcon set at some point.

And it must be accompanied by an OVA where they fight rediculous foam rubber monsters and gesticulate wildly to communicate.



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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:07 AM

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Perhaps tangential to the overall discussion, perhaps not... I speculated that perhaps the problem with Dinobots is that they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes.

I already pointed out that there are plenty of dinos in Transformers that the Dinobots could be repainted into. Overkill and Trypticon have been done, there there is Terrorsaur, Slugfest, and plenty of Dinosaur like monsters out there for retools of the Dinobots.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:52 AM

But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:55 AM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.


I see that on shelves every time I close my eyes.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ May 12 2012, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(Daytonus @ May 12 2012, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.

Those exist, yes. Your point? Unless there was a series of blue tank all with different names clogging the shelves that I missed entirely.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:01 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:23 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

Yeah I read Shortpacked! But I was trying to point out that Hasbro is more ballsey that they use to be and if Comic only bots and Japan only bots can get a chance then maybe bots like Overkill and Trypticon and other more obscure can get toys too. But not Rorza he's a tool and no one likes him.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:26 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

Yeah I read Shortpacked! But I was trying to point out that Hasbro is more ballsey that they use to be and if Comic only bots and Japan only bots can get a chance then maybe bots like Overkill and Trypticon and other more obscure can get toys too. But not Rorza he's a tool and no one likes him.


But Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III isn't a comic-only bot.

He's a comic-only alien circus performer. He's a tiny fleshy dude in a horned helmet who rides a motorcycle through hoops, for peanuts.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:28 PM

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He's a comic-only alien circus performer. He's a tiny fleshy dude in a horned helmet who rides a motorcycle through hoops, for peanuts.

See total tool.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 06:58 AM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

Yeah I read Shortpacked! But I was trying to point out that Hasbro is more ballsey that they use to be and if Comic only bots and Japan only bots can get a chance then maybe bots like Overkill and Trypticon and other more obscure can get toys too. But not Rorza he's a tool and no one likes him.


We did get an Overkill toy. A repaint of Grimlock sure, but that was the best that character was going to get at this point. And Trypticon got a Classics Legends toy. He really should have gotten an Ultra toy repainted from Cybertron Scourge too.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 12 2012, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps tangential to the overall discussion, perhaps not... I speculated that perhaps the problem with Dinobots is that they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes.

I already pointed out that there are plenty of dinos in Transformers that the Dinobots could be repainted into. Overkill and Trypticon have been done, there there is Terrorsaur, Slugfest, and plenty of Dinosaur like monsters out there for retools of the Dinobots.

And once again, my thought was that the MOLDS could be the issue more than the colors they come in.

For the luvva Mike, you quoted me saying "they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes" and countered that with "they could repaint them into other characters".



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