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@  TheMightyMol... : (01 October 2016 - 02:45 PM)

That's what she said?

@  Kalidor : (01 October 2016 - 01:30 PM)

If you're going to pick a sword to die on - make sure it isn't one of those tiny little cocktail swords

@  Bass X0 : (01 October 2016 - 01:16 PM)

What very specific prejudice.

@  ShadowMan024 : (01 October 2016 - 12:28 PM)

This is kinda hilarious. And sad, but mostly hilarious.

@  BillBarclay : (01 October 2016 - 12:09 PM)

doubt it pal! keep on dreaming!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (01 October 2016 - 12:06 PM)

May you be serviced by the resident grammar police on whatever forum you claim you will flee to.

@  BillBarclay : (01 October 2016 - 12:02 PM)

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@  BillBarclay : (01 October 2016 - 11:58 AM)

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@  NotVeryKnightly : (01 October 2016 - 11:57 AM)

You have some horrible reasoning if you think somebody posting a thing in more than one place is somehow totally unacceptable, yet the way you're acting isn't counterintuitively annoying.

@  BillBarclay : (01 October 2016 - 11:52 AM)

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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (01 October 2016 - 11:43 AM)

Huh. That's certainly a different report.

@  Jalaguy : (01 October 2016 - 11:37 AM)

I'm gonna go ahead and clarify that "posting news about a TV crossover in the threads for the relevant TV shows" does not qualify as "spamming".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (01 October 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Also, isn't posting in a spam thread often perceived to be support for said spam?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (01 October 2016 - 11:31 AM)

I can barely read the grammar in that post.

@  unluckiness : (01 October 2016 - 10:58 AM)

Shouldn't you like, take that up with the other moderators rather than the random passersby reading this thing? Considering that, going by your word, your apparent first response was to resort to defamation, it doesn't reflect well on your assertion of truth.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 October 2016 - 10:55 AM)

Did you report the spam through proper channels or did you just whinge about it in a thread?

@  ShadowMan024 : (01 October 2016 - 10:55 AM)

Right.

@  ShadowMan024 : (01 October 2016 - 10:55 AM)

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@  ShadowMan024 : (01 October 2016 - 10:54 AM)

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@  ShadowMan024 : (01 October 2016 - 10:54 AM)

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@  BillBarclay : (01 October 2016 - 10:44 AM)

the truth!

@  ShadowMan024 : (01 October 2016 - 10:41 AM)

what the hug did i just read

@  BillBarclay : (01 October 2016 - 10:38 AM)

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@  NightViper : (30 September 2016 - 08:38 PM)

*Snaps towel*

@  ShadowMan024 : (30 September 2016 - 06:10 PM)

FOOL! *points cane at NightViper*

@  NightViper : (30 September 2016 - 06:06 PM)

It's not "Fools of towel play"? Damn.

@  RichardT1977 : (30 September 2016 - 05:20 PM)

Huh, I always thought it was "tools of power play".

@  Nevermore : (30 September 2016 - 03:30 PM)

http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/133313-instruments-of-destruction-30th-anniversary-edition-youtube-video-and-legal-purchase-links-inside/

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 September 2016 - 03:18 PM)

tools of foul play

@  Nevermore : (30 September 2016 - 03:04 PM)

instruments of destruction

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:01 PM)

Maybe like how Megaempress and her 4 Guards showed up so many male Cybertrons and Destrons. *snerk*

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:00 PM)

Maybe as a female EDC officer who actually kicks his ass for a change.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:00 PM)

And Carly too.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 September 2016 - 03:00 PM)

I would be thrilled to see him in the IDW continuity in the near future.

@  zephyrX9 : (29 September 2016 - 02:56 PM)

when the hell is chip chase gonna come back?

@  Robowang : (29 September 2016 - 11:14 AM)

Like a letter to my mom from prison inmates!

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:29 PM)

Oh wait, I see it's been addressed.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

I was when I posted that, yeah. I'll let you know if it happens again.

@  Dracula : (28 September 2016 - 02:10 PM)

You're clicking on threads and they're redirecting to that?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 01:05 PM)

Why do forum pages keep forwarding me to this? http://www.allsparkt...2VjMDYxZTQxYmVl

@  Broadside : (28 September 2016 - 12:05 PM)

Anyone know what the caption on this page refers to? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primon

@  RichardT1977 : (28 September 2016 - 09:53 AM)

After the season finale where RM Corp found a way to make thinking Bots, I was hoping for a continuation of the story where Paradim learned the hard way the downside of Bots that can say, "No."

@  Rycochet : (28 September 2016 - 09:40 AM)

I liked Phantom 2040 more.

@  Blues : (27 September 2016 - 05:08 PM)

I LOVE BOT MASTER SO MUCH. Too bad the toys sucked. I even own jungle fiver. I love him so much, but he can barely stand on his own.

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 September 2016 - 05:03 PM)

That's the 90s.

@  MEDdMI : (27 September 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Ninjzz? That's an unfortunate name.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 04:44 PM)

Also I thought Fico Ossio was quite nice on Revolutions.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 04:36 PM)

You know the planet is in a jam, a diabolical plan of only one man. Louis Leon Paradim an international punk, and his army of 3As are his piece of junk.

@  Telly : (27 September 2016 - 04:26 PM)

for the longest time i thought jungle fiver was called jungle fiBer

@  Bass X0 : (27 September 2016 - 04:21 PM)

Does anybody remember the cartoon Bots Master? I enjoyed the show but looking back on it, most of the robot designs were lame. The only cool designs were Jungle Fiver and Ninjzz although the toys were nothing compared to Transformers of course. I thought the main human characters were decent enough for a show about robots. 


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#521 Lukeblast

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:12 AM

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ May 10 2012, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seems kind of silly to assume that this dinosaur recognition issue is so complex considering two decades ago Dinobots kept shipping for years due to popularity despite all featuring similar colors (and selling at a higher pricepoint). Then again in Euro Classics and G2.

That is the entire problem with this idea - it has been done before and done very successfully.

Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:06 PM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 11 2012, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.


Just as it requires actual willful ignorance to ignore hugely successful lines where most of the items are much more similar than the Dinobots, such as Pixar's Cars, Thomas and Friends or virtually *all* girls lines. Heck, Power Rangers differentiates itself on nothing more than colour.

The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:13 PM

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The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

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I don't think anybody claimed they couldn't.

Heck, I opened this line of discussion on the basis that the best way to get a set of Dinobots out to market again is to be non-traditionalist. Getting all five, in their classic grey/red/gold colourschemes is the real hurdle in today's retailer-controlled market.

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE(The Phazer @ May 11 2012, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 11 2012, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.


Just as it requires actual willful ignorance to ignore hugely successful lines where most of the items are much more similar than the Dinobots, such as Pixar's Cars, Thomas and Friends or virtually *all* girls lines. Heck, Power Rangers differentiates itself on nothing more than colour.

The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

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Who are you arguing with?

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

#525 Lukeblast

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 12:58 AM

QUOTE(The Phazer @ May 11 2012, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 11 2012, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yeah... about 20 or 30 years ago, depending on which iteration you're talking about.

It is easily observable and provable fact that every level of retail toys has changed significantly since then, and it borders on willful ignorance to claim that the the marketing and distribution of decades past somehow applies to today's market.


Just as it requires actual willful ignorance to ignore hugely successful lines where most of the items are much more similar than the Dinobots, such as Pixar's Cars, Thomas and Friends or virtually *all* girls lines. Heck, Power Rangers differentiates itself on nothing more than colour.

All of those having significant, wildly popular, and global media exposure to drive home the idea that the similar/repainted versions are unique. Dinobots do not currently have that benefit.

Additionally, and as I noted before, customers are practically trained to see repainted cars as unique--that's most of the diecast aisle. It also fits right into the Transformers design/repaint philosophy in a way that a bunch of dinosaurs do not. The girls' lines are similar, in that customers are trained to see various Barbies (for example) that are merely outfitted in different ways as individuals.

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The idea that you couldn't release Dinobots in mixed colour schemes G2 style and then over time get out G1 coloured repaints is silly.

The suggestion was brought up, discussed, and I don't believe anyone even attempted to counter it.

Not that ANYTHING you said has a single thing to do with one word I that I said.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 02:05 AM

Yeah, it'd be one thing if Hasbro had a show called "TERRIFIC TRANSFORMIN' SUPER DINOBOTS" about a group of teenage dinorobot ninjas with attitude taking council from a floating Grand Mal. But they don't, they have a show called Transformers, which has dozens of concepts, of which the Dinobots had increasingly become marginalized over the past decade and Grimlock increasingly becoming synedochic of the Dinobots in general. We'll see what FOC does for them.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 02:54 AM

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"TERRIFIC TRANSFORMIN' SUPER DINOBOTS" about a group of teenage dinorobot ninjas with attitude taking council from a floating Grand Mal.


NOTE: I want this as a Botcon set at some point.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 09:44 AM

Perhaps tangential to the overall discussion, perhaps not... I speculated that perhaps the problem with Dinobots is that they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes.

Power Rangers has been brought up a few times, and I notice that the property tends to get a lot of non-media product... motorcycles and action-feature figures and entire zords on occasion. But something they almost never do is repaint the "show-Zords" outright. I've never seen it happen outside of a few TRU-exclusives in the Lost Galaxy era, and those were themselves several years old and long off the shelves.

I wonder if that isn't in the same ballpark... they repaint the figures because "the Batman effect" says you can do all kinds of crazy variants of your main character and people will accept it as whatever you intend and/or buy multiple versions of the same character. But the robots... repainting the robot and potentially getting it on the shelf next to the original version could work against them. If it's too obvious customers will assume it's the same thing, even if it isn't. Then you run the risk of thinning out the interest in the original/primary version if/when people buy the repaint instead.

Looking at the toy aisles, the stuff that gets away with repaints tends toward vehicles and "traditional" action figures. There's plenty of "creatures" in various toylines, but even when those are reused, they tend to take a break and the previous version(s) are long off the shelves. Hasbro's desires tend toward things they can repaint immediately, not stuff they have to sit on for a few years before they can reuse.

Again, I'm just speculating here. There are probably copious examples to support and dispute me. It's merely a spitballing of ideas on how things might work based on too many visits to the toy department.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 10:02 AM

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"TERRIFIC TRANSFORMIN' SUPER DINOBOTS" about a group of teenage dinorobot ninjas with attitude taking council from a floating Grand Mal.


NOTE: I want this as a Botcon set at some point.

And it must be accompanied by an OVA where they fight rediculous foam rubber monsters and gesticulate wildly to communicate.



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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:07 AM

QUOTE(Lukeblast @ May 12 2012, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps tangential to the overall discussion, perhaps not... I speculated that perhaps the problem with Dinobots is that they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes.

I already pointed out that there are plenty of dinos in Transformers that the Dinobots could be repainted into. Overkill and Trypticon have been done, there there is Terrorsaur, Slugfest, and plenty of Dinosaur like monsters out there for retools of the Dinobots.


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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:52 AM

But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 11:55 AM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.


I see that on shelves every time I close my eyes.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:57 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 03:59 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.

Those exist, yes. Your point? Unless there was a series of blue tank all with different names clogging the shelves that I missed entirely.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:01 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:23 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

Yeah I read Shortpacked! But I was trying to point out that Hasbro is more ballsey that they use to be and if Comic only bots and Japan only bots can get a chance then maybe bots like Overkill and Trypticon and other more obscure can get toys too. But not Rorza he's a tool and no one likes him.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:26 PM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

Yeah I read Shortpacked! But I was trying to point out that Hasbro is more ballsey that they use to be and if Comic only bots and Japan only bots can get a chance then maybe bots like Overkill and Trypticon and other more obscure can get toys too. But not Rorza he's a tool and no one likes him.


But Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III isn't a comic-only bot.

He's a comic-only alien circus performer. He's a tiny fleshy dude in a horned helmet who rides a motorcycle through hoops, for peanuts.

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Posted 12 May 2012 - 04:28 PM

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He's a comic-only alien circus performer. He's a tiny fleshy dude in a horned helmet who rides a motorcycle through hoops, for peanuts.

See total tool.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 06:58 AM

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But we're not talking about what the fiction can support but what the market can. The fiction can support "Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III," but I've never seen it on shelves.

Straxus and Black Shadow.


You don't know who Rorza the Rocket-Cycle Racer from Rigel III is, do you.

Yeah I read Shortpacked! But I was trying to point out that Hasbro is more ballsey that they use to be and if Comic only bots and Japan only bots can get a chance then maybe bots like Overkill and Trypticon and other more obscure can get toys too. But not Rorza he's a tool and no one likes him.


We did get an Overkill toy. A repaint of Grimlock sure, but that was the best that character was going to get at this point. And Trypticon got a Classics Legends toy. He really should have gotten an Ultra toy repainted from Cybertron Scourge too.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 08:23 AM

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Perhaps tangential to the overall discussion, perhaps not... I speculated that perhaps the problem with Dinobots is that they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes.

I already pointed out that there are plenty of dinos in Transformers that the Dinobots could be repainted into. Overkill and Trypticon have been done, there there is Terrorsaur, Slugfest, and plenty of Dinosaur like monsters out there for retools of the Dinobots.

And once again, my thought was that the MOLDS could be the issue more than the colors they come in.

For the luvva Mike, you quoted me saying "they ARE recognizable and repaints would not be viewed as new characters like cars and planes" and countered that with "they could repaint them into other characters".