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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just


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#381 Sean Whitmore

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think that the Dinobots would sell just fine if they would just put them in the show. I think one of the problems is that Hasbro, much like Bay, sees 5 giant robot dinosaurs and says: "That's not a disguise! Transformers are 'Robot's in Disguise'! Dinosaurs aren't a disguise!"

But that's the point! The Dinobots aren't in disguise.


That may be the point, but that point doesn't jibe with the show's current course. However little the "robots in disguise" concept has mattered in the past, it's in the forefront now.

I'd really love to see the Dinobots on Prime too, but I can appreciate that it's a bit of a writing hurdle.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:11 PM

I want Stunticons. I always liked how coherent Menasor looks, and the scale of the individual vehicles isn't too bad compared to some other teams. I especially like how clean the legs look.



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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:19 PM

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I want Stunticons. I always liked how coherent Menasor looks, and the scale of the individual vehicles isn't too bad compared to some other teams. I especially like how clean the legs look.



Only if they design a version that can see past his own shoulders.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:24 PM

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scale of the individual vehicles isn't too bad


That's like saying a nuclear warhead isn't too bad compared to an asteroid impact.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:31 PM

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Besides, what's the big deal if a parent accidentally buys the wrong one?

The problem isn't that parents can't tell them apart so they buy the wrong one.

The problem is that parents can't tell them apart so they buy one and then never buy any of the others because they're 100% confident their kid already has the gray and gold dinosaur.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:57 AM

OK Dinobot repaint/ retool ideas...

Grimlock in the Beast Megatron or Overkill

Swoop in to Terrorsaur

Snarl in to Slugfest

Slag in to Horri-Bull, maybe...

And I got nothing for Sludge.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:22 AM

QUOTE(Smitty @ May 5 2012, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK Dinobot repaint/ retool ideas...

Slag in to Horri-Bull, maybe...


Slag to Charger! That'd fit great and add to the super obscure Action Master legion. I'd buy that in a second!


Sludge... Sludge... Well there's always the Japanese Dino-force Apotosaur. Or Zaur. Or... I know it's a big change in alt-mode but I can kinda imagine Blot working.


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Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:35 AM

I'd like to see Sludge in a deco inspired by the Armada Dinobots version.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 07:19 AM

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I'd wonder if the issue is that the dinosaurs ARE recognizable. It's not just getting Dinobots. It's what you do with them after. Repaints are the name of the game, and customers are practically trained to see a bunch of repainted cars as unique--that's pretty much the entire diecast aisle. I think repainted dinosaurs would be WAY harder to pass off as unique.

Well, Hasbro have been doing lots of (p)retools recently, some of which have been pretty significant - look at Thunderwing/Sky Shadow, Tracks/Wheeljack or FOC Jazz/Sideswipe for examples.

For Snarl, for instance, they could have a set of spikes as an alternate for the backplates (ala the back half of a Kentosaurus) and a remoulded dino-mode head.

The trickiest one would be, funnily enough, Grimlock. T-Rexes are far too famous to simply remould into another dino that won't just be "a slightly different T-Rex" to the LCD.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 07:39 AM

Stunticons seems to be a decent idea. They populate waves with a lot of differently-colored cars as it is.


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Posted 05 May 2012 - 02:21 PM

They could give Sludge a retool and repaint in to Paddles.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Fnu Aw @ May 4 2012, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I want Stunticons. I always liked how coherent Menasor looks, and the scale of the individual vehicles isn't too bad compared to some other teams. I especially like how clean the legs look.



Only if they design a version that can see past his own shoulders.

They could do something akin to the animation model.



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scale of the individual vehicles isn't too bad


That's like saying a nuclear warhead isn't too bad compared to an asteroid impact.

Okay it's still bad, but I believe that modern Stunticon toys could be be made to be in scale with each other. It's not like the Combaticons where we have a jeep and a space shuttle as limbs.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:13 PM

The main reason Stunticons are so grossly out of scale with each other is because of the Scramble City "base mode" requirement. If you made Motormaster just a truck cab, it'd work out a lot more favorably I think.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 04:49 PM

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Besides, what's the big deal if a parent accidentally buys the wrong one?

The problem isn't that parents can't tell them apart so they buy the wrong one.

The problem is that parents can't tell them apart so they buy one and then never buy any of the others because they're 100% confident their kid already has the gray and gold dinosaur.

No, the problem is you conveniently left out the rest of the paragraph you quoted, especially the very next sentence:

QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....The kid will know the difference instantly. That's what reciepts are for! Just return it for the right one. And by-and-large, likely the only time that a parent/adult would be toy shopping for a kid without said kid being with them, would be at X-Mas or for their birthday, or any similar special occasion.


Mommy comes home and says "Here, Billy. This is the one you wanted right?"
"No, Mom, that's Slag! I already have him, see. I need to get Snarl, the stegosaurus."
"Ok, well we'll go back tomorrow and see if they have the right one. ok?"


It's not as if said parent is not going to try and get their kid the right toy. You make it seem as if people will go and buy only one figure, and the kid be dammed if he already has it, or it's not the right one.
This is why stores have return policies in the first place.



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Posted 05 May 2012 - 05:10 PM

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SDCC exclusives are not much more expensive than their retail counterparts, if at all. I don't see bruticus being more than $60 or $70 bucks. His box isn't fancy so it won't drive up the price like Cliffjumpers nutty boxing.


Till he sells out, and the only way to get one is through scalpers wanting to sell him for 2 or 3 times that price.


Oh Hai Nemesis Prime! (Or SDCC Sgt. Slaughter, or insert expensive SDCC exclusive here).

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Besides, what's the big deal if a parent accidentally buys the wrong one?

The problem isn't that parents can't tell them apart so they buy the wrong one.

The problem is that parents can't tell them apart so they buy one and then never buy any of the others because they're 100% confident their kid already has the gray and gold dinosaur.

No, the problem is you conveniently left out the rest of the paragraph you quoted, especially the very next sentence:

QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....The kid will know the difference instantly. That's what reciepts are for! Just return it for the right one. And by-and-large, likely the only time that a parent/adult would be toy shopping for a kid without said kid being with them, would be at X-Mas or for their birthday, or any similar special occasion.


Mommy comes home and says "Here, Billy. This is the one you wanted right?"
"No, Mom, that's Slag! I already have him, see. I need to get Snarl, the stegosaurus."
"Ok, well we'll go back tomorrow and see if they have the right one. ok?"


It's not as if said parent is not going to try and get their kid the right toy. You make it seem as if people will go and buy only one figure, and the kid be dammed if he already has it, or it's not the right one.
This is why stores have return policies in the first place.


I dunno, if I was the parent, I'd probably be like, 'I'm sorry, I'll get the right one next time." And then next time would just be the next time I got them a toy, which could be whenever. I wouldn't go back to swap.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Besides, what's the big deal if a parent accidentally buys the wrong one?

The problem isn't that parents can't tell them apart so they buy the wrong one.

The problem is that parents can't tell them apart so they buy one and then never buy any of the others because they're 100% confident their kid already has the gray and gold dinosaur.

No, the problem is you conveniently left out the rest of the paragraph you quoted, especially the very next sentence:

QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....The kid will know the difference instantly. That's what reciepts are for! Just return it for the right one. And by-and-large, likely the only time that a parent/adult would be toy shopping for a kid without said kid being with them, would be at X-Mas or for their birthday, or any similar special occasion.


Mommy comes home and says "Here, Billy. This is the one you wanted right?"
"No, Mom, that's Slag! I already have him, see. I need to get Snarl, the stegosaurus."
"Ok, well we'll go back tomorrow and see if they have the right one. ok?"


It's not as if said parent is not going to try and get their kid the right toy. You make it seem as if people will go and buy only one figure, and the kid be dammed if he already has it, or it's not the right one.
This is why stores have return policies in the first place.


I dunno, if I was the parent, I'd probably be like, 'I'm sorry, I'll get the right one next time." And then next time would just be the next time I got them a toy, which could be whenever. I wouldn't go back to swap.

I would. In fact, I remember a couple times as a kid when I got a toy I already had and my parents took me to the store to exchange it.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ May 4 2012, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Besides, what's the big deal if a parent accidentally buys the wrong one?

The problem isn't that parents can't tell them apart so they buy the wrong one.

The problem is that parents can't tell them apart so they buy one and then never buy any of the others because they're 100% confident their kid already has the gray and gold dinosaur.

No, the problem is you conveniently left out the rest of the paragraph you quoted, especially the very next sentence:

QUOTE(Shockwave 75 @ May 4 2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
....The kid will know the difference instantly. That's what reciepts are for! Just return it for the right one. And by-and-large, likely the only time that a parent/adult would be toy shopping for a kid without said kid being with them, would be at X-Mas or for their birthday, or any similar special occasion.


Mommy comes home and says "Here, Billy. This is the one you wanted right?"
"No, Mom, that's Slag! I already have him, see. I need to get Snarl, the stegosaurus."
"Ok, well we'll go back tomorrow and see if they have the right one. ok?"


It's not as if said parent is not going to try and get their kid the right toy. You make it seem as if people will go and buy only one figure, and the kid be dammed if he already has it, or it's not the right one.
This is why stores have return policies in the first place.


I dunno, if I was the parent, I'd probably be like, 'I'm sorry, I'll get the right one next time." And then next time would just be the next time I got them a toy, which could be whenever. I wouldn't go back to swap.

I would. In fact, I remember a couple times as a kid when I got a toy I already had and my parents took me to the store to exchange it.


Same here, If fact I usually got asked "Do you have this one already?" or "Hopefully you don't have this one" when ever I my mom bought one for me, and always kept the receipt if I did.

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Posted 05 May 2012 - 06:26 PM

I'd probably feel bad about a duplicate. Wrong toy though? "Oh, you don't want it? We can give it to your sister."



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