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@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.


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#1 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:02 PM

I did. Just now. Cyberverse Vehicon.

I just wanted some TF coolness of my own. He's a poor substitute for Spinister, the MST, and cool Diarama Displays, but it's something.


-ZacWilliam, now if I could find Voyager Bulkhead (yeah right) or Deluxe Vehicon, THAT might make me feel completely better, icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:07 PM

Looking at previous years botcon exclusives. Even knock-offs.

I'm in a dangerous place...

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:10 PM

I got Prid Cliffjumper yesterday just because Tapout

With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:17 PM

Want to, but can't find any new Botshots.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Apr 27 2012, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looking at previous years botcon exclusives. Even knock-offs.


Part of me wants to spring for a Rapido, but my birthday is in a few weeks.


ZacWilliam, gonna be hinting something fierce for a few toys so...
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:33 PM

Yeah, rapido is easily one of the best of the 2010 set. Glad to have him.

But this weekend, I would love to find any of the newer prime stuff, especially deluxe wave 3. I'll even be in a town with a target, TRU, and 2 walmarts tomorrow, but I'm sure I won't find anything new.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:40 PM

Would love to find new toys, but all I want is a Vehicon and I don't anticipate finding him soon. (Decided to wait on the others in that wave.) Still, fingers crossed.
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#8 NICK TYRANNO

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:49 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Apr 27 2012, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Apr 27 2012, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looking at previous years botcon exclusives. Even knock-offs.


Part of me wants to spring for a Rapido, but my birthday is in a few weeks.


ZacWilliam, gonna be hinting something fierce for a few toys so...


Yeah, I'm very pleased with Rapido. He embodies g2 for me. The problem is now I'm looking at getting myself a Brakedown to battle him. Which is...yikes. Hence the ko desire creeping into my otherwise non-ko thoughts. The color scheme is just too exciting, on any figure.



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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Apr 27 2012, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Apr 27 2012, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Apr 27 2012, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looking at previous years botcon exclusives. Even knock-offs.


Part of me wants to spring for a Rapido, but my birthday is in a few weeks.


ZacWilliam, gonna be hinting something fierce for a few toys so...


Yeah, I'm very pleased with Rapido. He embodies g2 for me. The problem is now I'm looking at getting myself a Brakedown to battle him. Which is...yikes. Hence the ko desire creeping into my otherwise non-ko thoughts. The color scheme is just too exciting, on any figure.

Rapido is pretty great. I've never loved the Classics Prowl mold, but that head sculpt is just fantastic, and the colors are lovely. I'd really recommend finding one, even if you feel like I do about the mold.

I also really dig last year's SG Galvatron--I don't care about the fiction, so I just like the idea that a Decepticon leader is disguised as a nice friendly rescue chopper. Very movie-Barricadey.

Those two and the keychain Mini-Bots are the only BotCon exclusives on my shelves (I have others from 2011 that I finally got around to listing for sale), but I should have a 2012 bagged set once the non-attendings ship. So I'm gonna try to be patient until then, and not go digging on eBay for ones I've missed. icon-hotrod.gif

But I might have to make an exception for Spinister. Because I want Spinister.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:24 PM

If you really want to feel like you're at Botcon, go find a Generations toy whose mold you already have two of, and pay $50 for it. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE(Gryllid @ Apr 27 2012, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you really want to feel like you're at Botcon, go find a Generations toy whose mold you already have two of, and pay $50 for it. icon-hotrod.gif


If I could find one that was decoed and molded in the colors of a favorite character from my childhood I might. (But probably not cause my wife would kill me.)


-ZacWilliam, part of the reason I bought the Vehicon was to pretend he was G1 Blackjack.

Edited by ZacWilliam1, 27 April 2012 - 03:30 PM.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:31 PM

I bought Preternia He-Man off of BBTS instead.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:32 PM

I'm buying SG Treadshot to fill the void, I guess?

Okay, really it's because hells yeah Armada Sideswipe.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 03:38 PM

I...don't particularly feel that need, but coincidentally have started picking up Stealth Force toys as they've started showing up at Big Lots/TJ Maxx at prices more to my liking. Does that count?

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:37 PM

I got my TFCC membership Battlecharger, MOTUC Draego-Man, and TP He-Man this week. I'm ok...for now.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 04:47 PM

Wave 2 Prime Voyagers just dropped into my BBTS pile of loot, so I shipped those babies and the wave 3 deluxes this morning to fill the non-attending void!. And a BTTF2 Gray's Sports Almanac for good measure.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

If I could -find- anything beyond Wheeljack and two bumblees I might.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:15 PM

Ok I originally only wanted Sounwave and Treadshot. Now Im gonna hafta get a Kickoff and a Spinster and put on a action master Sprocket head on him and make him a G2 Sprocket. As my wallet screams at me I think Im gonna check Toysrus for toys I can afford icon-screamer.gif
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Everything in moderation.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:11 PM

I would, but my area just has assorted DOTM toys. I found a ROTF Chromia and Dlx Wheelie at a Rite Aid though, don't think those count.



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