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@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:29 PM)

Oh wait, I see it's been addressed.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

I was when I posted that, yeah. I'll let you know if it happens again.

@  Dracula : (28 September 2016 - 02:10 PM)

You're clicking on threads and they're redirecting to that?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 01:05 PM)

Why do forum pages keep forwarding me to this? http://www.allsparkt...2VjMDYxZTQxYmVl

@  Broadside : (28 September 2016 - 12:05 PM)

Anyone know what the caption on this page refers to? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primon

@  RichardT1977 : (28 September 2016 - 09:53 AM)

After the season finale where RM Corp found a way to make thinking Bots, I was hoping for a continuation of the story where Paradim learned the hard way the downside of Bots that can say, "No."

@  Rycochet : (28 September 2016 - 09:40 AM)

I liked Phantom 2040 more.

@  Blues : (27 September 2016 - 05:08 PM)

I LOVE BOT MASTER SO MUCH. Too bad the toys sucked. I even own jungle fiver. I love him so much, but he can barely stand on his own.

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 September 2016 - 05:03 PM)

That's the 90s.

@  MEDdMI : (27 September 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Ninjzz? That's an unfortunate name.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 04:44 PM)

Also I thought Fico Ossio was quite nice on Revolutions.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 04:36 PM)

You know the planet is in a jam, a diabolical plan of only one man. Louis Leon Paradim an international punk, and his army of 3As are his piece of junk.

@  Telly : (27 September 2016 - 04:26 PM)

for the longest time i thought jungle fiver was called jungle fiBer

@  Bass X0 : (27 September 2016 - 04:21 PM)

Does anybody remember the cartoon Bots Master? I enjoyed the show but looking back on it, most of the robot designs were lame. The only cool designs were Jungle Fiver and Ninjzz although the toys were nothing compared to Transformers of course. I thought the main human characters were decent enough for a show about robots. 

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:43 PM)

Although this is odd to me, since I'm fairly sure they are/were good friends.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:42 PM)

Yeah I stopped liking the guy when I found his Twitter.

@  zephyrX9 : (27 September 2016 - 12:35 PM)

https://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/779870732935233536 link

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2016 - 09:16 AM)

I cut out the middleman and assume that they're all jerks and/or shills.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 07:15 AM)

Social media is the worst thing to happen to fandom, you can now see people whose work you like being jerks or shills on a daily basis, which is worse than a bad interview or two.

@  Robowang : (27 September 2016 - 07:12 AM)

Dirty Jerk Warts?

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:05 AM)

Also, I guess he hates IDW Soundwave for not being an emotionless brick like the cartoon version? Man. Any enjoyment of Animated in future is going to be tainted for me by the fact that DJW is the worst kind of boring Geewunner.

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:04 AM)

He also hates Action Man for no apparent reason other than "I don't know who this is and I don't care to find out". Which isn't fair, because Ian is the best character in IDW.

@  Jalaguy : (27 September 2016 - 06:47 AM)

DJW was mouthing off about the art for Revolution the other day too, doesn't entirely surprise.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 05:11 AM)

Do you have a link, zephyr?

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh!!

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh bweh

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 10:11 PM)

Sipher's.

@  Telly : (26 September 2016 - 10:08 PM)

*has flashbacks of the "image wars"*

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

Sakamoto or Sipher's art?

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 September 2016 - 08:17 PM)

Oof.

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 08:05 PM)

Sipher made a sarcastic remark about Sakamoto's skeeviness. Derrick called him an a**hole, and insulted his art, which was a low, unnecessary blow.

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 07:43 PM)

What did Derrick do?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:42 PM)

That makes sense, thank you.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 September 2016 - 07:30 PM)

Derrick J. Wyatt?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:21 PM)

Djw?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 05:45 PM)

wow, didn't expect to have to block djw on twitter

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 02:48 PM)

Yeah, it was really sad that they didn't survive in any of the endings. Eaten by Unicron every time.

@  Bass X0 : (26 September 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I wish I could have seen Kick Axe live.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 September 2016 - 10:14 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk WWE Raw is on tonight. By the third hour, it'll probably feel the same, minus the actual physical trauma.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2016 - 09:51 AM)

I think I'd rather punch myself in the nuts.

@  Dracula : (26 September 2016 - 09:34 AM)

I think I'll watch Godzilla versus Gigan instead

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 September 2016 - 09:32 AM)

Hillary versus Trump tonight. Oh boy.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2016 - 06:53 AM)

I think I'm just too used to metal to not understand the lyrics.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 06:02 AM)

it's a vile interruption, chess the scripture way

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 03:49 AM)

I've had versions where the issue doesn't come up (or at least doesn't come up in the part I notice the most), but the version that got remastered for Bluray and DVD releases have it.

@  Nevermore : (26 September 2016 - 02:05 AM)

I initially misheard "flying tools of torment" as "we're flyin' into some torment".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (26 September 2016 - 01:08 AM)

If it's a problem with all released versions, maybe the original audio source was itself damaged?

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

I wish they'd relase a remastered version that fixed the audio and included at least had an option to have the text crawl rather than the credits at the start.

@  Telly : (25 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

tryin to buy the movie from amazon for $20-ish. the price of it has been fluctuating like crazy. not a day has gone by that it hasnt dropped to one price and then gone back up a few hours later. never seen a price fluctuate so much

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 07:57 PM)

Then again, a lot of versions of the movie had pretty bad sound quality, even the most recent blu-rays mess it up in places, so it's not as much our fault if we misheard stuff.


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#41 TM2-Megatron

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 25 2012, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So participating in the discussion from a viewpoint differing from yours and tacking on a joke (because I've never been known to joke around at all ever in the history of the Allspark) is taking it personally.

Noted. Thanks for telling me my opinion.


I don't really care whether someone uses it or not; as I said earlier it's mostly a matter of preference. But whether someone likes it or not has nothing to do with being a "grumpy old man"; but if that was a joke, fine. You'd be surprised how similar that comment is to ones in A/V forums when threads on this particular technology (motion interpolation, not 48fps filming) degenerates, as they do without fail.

But if what you want is ideal picture quality on Blu-Rays films, specifically, what you should have is a plasma. Even putting the black levels aside, their subfield drives allows them to actually display 24fps or 48fps or whatever natively; they can work in multiples of 24. On LCDs, you can't do that. They're a fixed-framerate technology, and all you can do is adjust the way in which the TV displays (or manipulates, in the case of TruMotion) the frames that are sent to it, whether that's 24, 25, 30, 50, 60, etc. I own LCDs, too, as they're just more convenient and I can live with the picture; but they're more of a stopgap until OLEDs are affordable and finally put plasma down for good.

What I want to know is when they're going to adjust the Blu-Ray standard to allow for 1080p/48, and if that willl require a new round of players or if it will be possible just via a firmware update. I doubt filming at 48fps is going to become all that commonplace in the immediate future, but Blu-Ray should be updated as soon as possible so that we can get these movies at home as close to the way they were shot as possible. 48fps is useless if you can only benefit at the theatre (though I do still enjoy the theatre in a way my living room can't recreate).

QUOTE(Aberration @ Apr 25 2012, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This concerns me... I already have to jump through hoops to find 2D showings (well, that's overstating it, but basically, the theaters near me will usually have the first showing of the day in 2D, and that's it), and now I have to factor framerate into that too. Hopefully Fandango will be diligent about sorting it out.


I'm hoping it becomes the trend to advertise whether a showing is 24 or 48fps. Most theatres around here already have a particular branding they give to movies projected in Digital 4k, so I don't see why they shouldn't want to advertise the fact when something is projected @ 48fps, too.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:11 PM

Ah, yeah. This is not an A/V forum. We're not half as up tight.

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#43 Touch My Thighs

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:43 PM

Eh, I play 60FPS games all the time.

This is going to matter to me about as much as the 3D thing IE not at all.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:46 PM

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Eh, I play 60FPS games all the time.

Is it true that they overheat graphic cards?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Apr 26 2012, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Apr 26 2012, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, I play 60FPS games all the time.

Is it true that they overheat graphic cards?


Not unless your computer lacks a fan or is wrapped in a carpet.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

I'm more concerned with how CGI studios will deal with it. They render per frame, after all, so doubling the frames doubles the render time, which slows down production or incurs the cost of extra render farms.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:37 PM

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I'm more concerned with how CGI studios will deal with it. They render per frame, after all, so doubling the frames doubles the render time, which slows down production or incurs the cost of extra render farms.

This. If they thought the Transformers were setting computers on fire now...
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True motion tends to make things look like they're moving more fluidly but it's still 2-D so it comes off as just odd. And when the frame rate is already low such as with none bluray movies it looks extra odd when the camera pans side to side as that tends to have a better frame rate than the film itself. If you're not used to it the effect can be jarring.
I expect it's really uncomfortable for those prone to motion sickness but I'm not one of those people so I'm just guessing.


This reminds me...the only show I've seen that just looks WEIRD to me is NCIS. Especially any time they pan. Something is just...strange. It looks really clear on other people's TVs...almost like "HD home video footage," or like I'm really seeing the people. But the panning is...weird.

Is that what the Trumotion thing is? Maybe I just don't have mine turned on and that's why my HD looks worse than others' HD? Or the ones in the stores?

Also, if I don't have any manuals, how do I find out if I have Trumotion or some equivilent? I have a Samsung 50" from about 5 years ago.

EDIT: This post coupled with me trying to hook up a DVD player in our bedroom and realizing the TV doesn't even have AV jacks is making me feel really old, and I'm only 30.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE(Robowang @ Apr 26 2012, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This reminds me...the only show I've seen that just looks WEIRD to me is NCIS. Especially any time they pan. Something is just...strange. It looks really clear on other people's TVs...almost like "HD home video footage," or like I'm really seeing the people. But the panning is...weird.

That's because of 'digital panning'. It's when you're shot is too wide and the editor has to 'digitally pan the camera' over to the main focus.

A horrible example of it is the 4:3 version of 'Multiplicity'.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:34 PM

Although 24fps under the effects of motion interpolation can look a lot like digital panning some of the time ('cuz it almost is, if you think about it in a certain way), and that's one of the things I find most annoying about it.

QUOTE(Robowang @ Apr 26 2012, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that what the Trumotion thing is? Maybe I just don't have mine turned on and that's why my HD looks worse than others' HD? Or the ones in the stores?

Also, if I don't have any manuals, how do I find out if I have Trumotion or some equivilent? I have a Samsung 50" from about 5 years ago.


Samsung calls it "Auto Motion Plus", so that's what you'll want to look for in your TV's menus (usually somewhere in the Picture/Image area, and sometimes under an 'Advanced Settings' header), but if your TV is 5 years old it may just be a regular 60Hz set, and not capable of it. A model number would settle it. LG must be the most commonly owned brand by far, as its branding for motion interpolation has apparently come closest to being a generic term (TruMotion).

There's only one reason I really bought a 120Hz (and later, a 240Hz) since I never enable motion interpolation: 5:5 pulldown (though even on a 120Hz set, you need to make sure it's been programmed for it; not all are). A 60Hz set can't handle 24fps without 3:2 pulldown, which can be irritating, but 120Hz allows for an even frame cadence at 5 repeats per frame. A true 240Hz set should also allow for display of 48fps content with 5:5 pulldown, but unless it's a current model I wouldn't count on firmware updates for such functionality being forthcoming. They'll want people to buy new TVs.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:58 PM

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A horrible example of it is the 4:3 version of 'Multiplicity'.


lol, that was the first movie I ever noticed it in, now I see it everytime I crack out an old VHS. It's like someone sliding your Netflix window slowly to the right and left.