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Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

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@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.


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#41 TM2-Megatron

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 25 2012, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So participating in the discussion from a viewpoint differing from yours and tacking on a joke (because I've never been known to joke around at all ever in the history of the Allspark) is taking it personally.

Noted. Thanks for telling me my opinion.


I don't really care whether someone uses it or not; as I said earlier it's mostly a matter of preference. But whether someone likes it or not has nothing to do with being a "grumpy old man"; but if that was a joke, fine. You'd be surprised how similar that comment is to ones in A/V forums when threads on this particular technology (motion interpolation, not 48fps filming) degenerates, as they do without fail.

But if what you want is ideal picture quality on Blu-Rays films, specifically, what you should have is a plasma. Even putting the black levels aside, their subfield drives allows them to actually display 24fps or 48fps or whatever natively; they can work in multiples of 24. On LCDs, you can't do that. They're a fixed-framerate technology, and all you can do is adjust the way in which the TV displays (or manipulates, in the case of TruMotion) the frames that are sent to it, whether that's 24, 25, 30, 50, 60, etc. I own LCDs, too, as they're just more convenient and I can live with the picture; but they're more of a stopgap until OLEDs are affordable and finally put plasma down for good.

What I want to know is when they're going to adjust the Blu-Ray standard to allow for 1080p/48, and if that willl require a new round of players or if it will be possible just via a firmware update. I doubt filming at 48fps is going to become all that commonplace in the immediate future, but Blu-Ray should be updated as soon as possible so that we can get these movies at home as close to the way they were shot as possible. 48fps is useless if you can only benefit at the theatre (though I do still enjoy the theatre in a way my living room can't recreate).

QUOTE(Aberration @ Apr 25 2012, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This concerns me... I already have to jump through hoops to find 2D showings (well, that's overstating it, but basically, the theaters near me will usually have the first showing of the day in 2D, and that's it), and now I have to factor framerate into that too. Hopefully Fandango will be diligent about sorting it out.


I'm hoping it becomes the trend to advertise whether a showing is 24 or 48fps. Most theatres around here already have a particular branding they give to movies projected in Digital 4k, so I don't see why they shouldn't want to advertise the fact when something is projected @ 48fps, too.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:11 PM

Ah, yeah. This is not an A/V forum. We're not half as up tight.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:43 PM

Eh, I play 60FPS games all the time.

This is going to matter to me about as much as the 3D thing IE not at all.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:46 PM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Apr 26 2012, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, I play 60FPS games all the time.

Is it true that they overheat graphic cards?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 06:56 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Apr 26 2012, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Apr 26 2012, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, I play 60FPS games all the time.

Is it true that they overheat graphic cards?


Not unless your computer lacks a fan or is wrapped in a carpet.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:44 PM

I'm more concerned with how CGI studios will deal with it. They render per frame, after all, so doubling the frames doubles the render time, which slows down production or incurs the cost of extra render farms.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:37 PM

QUOTE(Spark @ Apr 25 2012, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm more concerned with how CGI studios will deal with it. They render per frame, after all, so doubling the frames doubles the render time, which slows down production or incurs the cost of extra render farms.

This. If they thought the Transformers were setting computers on fire now...
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True motion tends to make things look like they're moving more fluidly but it's still 2-D so it comes off as just odd. And when the frame rate is already low such as with none bluray movies it looks extra odd when the camera pans side to side as that tends to have a better frame rate than the film itself. If you're not used to it the effect can be jarring.
I expect it's really uncomfortable for those prone to motion sickness but I'm not one of those people so I'm just guessing.


This reminds me...the only show I've seen that just looks WEIRD to me is NCIS. Especially any time they pan. Something is just...strange. It looks really clear on other people's TVs...almost like "HD home video footage," or like I'm really seeing the people. But the panning is...weird.

Is that what the Trumotion thing is? Maybe I just don't have mine turned on and that's why my HD looks worse than others' HD? Or the ones in the stores?

Also, if I don't have any manuals, how do I find out if I have Trumotion or some equivilent? I have a Samsung 50" from about 5 years ago.

EDIT: This post coupled with me trying to hook up a DVD player in our bedroom and realizing the TV doesn't even have AV jacks is making me feel really old, and I'm only 30.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 04:34 PM

QUOTE(Robowang @ Apr 26 2012, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This reminds me...the only show I've seen that just looks WEIRD to me is NCIS. Especially any time they pan. Something is just...strange. It looks really clear on other people's TVs...almost like "HD home video footage," or like I'm really seeing the people. But the panning is...weird.

That's because of 'digital panning'. It's when you're shot is too wide and the editor has to 'digitally pan the camera' over to the main focus.

A horrible example of it is the 4:3 version of 'Multiplicity'.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:34 PM

Although 24fps under the effects of motion interpolation can look a lot like digital panning some of the time ('cuz it almost is, if you think about it in a certain way), and that's one of the things I find most annoying about it.

QUOTE(Robowang @ Apr 26 2012, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is that what the Trumotion thing is? Maybe I just don't have mine turned on and that's why my HD looks worse than others' HD? Or the ones in the stores?

Also, if I don't have any manuals, how do I find out if I have Trumotion or some equivilent? I have a Samsung 50" from about 5 years ago.


Samsung calls it "Auto Motion Plus", so that's what you'll want to look for in your TV's menus (usually somewhere in the Picture/Image area, and sometimes under an 'Advanced Settings' header), but if your TV is 5 years old it may just be a regular 60Hz set, and not capable of it. A model number would settle it. LG must be the most commonly owned brand by far, as its branding for motion interpolation has apparently come closest to being a generic term (TruMotion).

There's only one reason I really bought a 120Hz (and later, a 240Hz) since I never enable motion interpolation: 5:5 pulldown (though even on a 120Hz set, you need to make sure it's been programmed for it; not all are). A 60Hz set can't handle 24fps without 3:2 pulldown, which can be irritating, but 120Hz allows for an even frame cadence at 5 repeats per frame. A true 240Hz set should also allow for display of 48fps content with 5:5 pulldown, but unless it's a current model I wouldn't count on firmware updates for such functionality being forthcoming. They'll want people to buy new TVs.

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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:58 PM

QUOTE(skankerzero @ Apr 26 2012, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A horrible example of it is the 4:3 version of 'Multiplicity'.


lol, that was the first movie I ever noticed it in, now I see it everytime I crack out an old VHS. It's like someone sliding your Netflix window slowly to the right and left.



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