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That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

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Did you at least buy him dinner?

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So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

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What?

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Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

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Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.


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#21 CORVUS

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:32 PM

Fair enough.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:35 PM

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Most Soaps aren't filmed on Film anymore they are filmed on video tape or digital because it's a faster turn around to the editing room.

It's also much, much, much, MUCH cheaper. Filmstock tends to run hundreds of dollars per inch, IIRC.

Well that too, also a weekly show can spend more money on film because they aren't taping for a five day a week run like most soaps do. Daytime dramas don't do reruns the stories are continous so the need for cheap, fast, recordable stock is much more important than it is on a show that runs once a week doing anywhere from 12 to 26 episodes in a season.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:16 AM

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In the opening minutes, I thought to myself "this looks like the TV department when they turn on 120Hz or TruMotion or whatever they call it". At once, it really doesn?t look like that. The smooth motion clarity is similar, but the 120Hz TV setting is the TV inventing visual information to fill in loads of completely nonexistent frames, creating the bulljive garbage you see walking through most TV departments in stores. Again, there is an element that 48fps and TruMotion share (which is where the comparison comes from), but 48 fps does not simply ?look like Korean soap operas? or TruMotion-enhanced TV images. That?s a reductive, sensationalist, utterly bulljive equivocation.

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#24 LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:35 AM

I'm not especially good with resolution and frames per second and all that stuff, so forgive me if this comes off as woefully ignorant... because it probably is.

But with video games, I see a lot of talk about 60 frames per second and all being... well, people seem to treat it like the norm, and anything less is some sort of affront to humanity, or something.

So, if frames per second in movies are approaching 60 with this, does this mean that movies are going to somehow look more like some video games?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:49 AM

TrueMotion and such are trash, because it's not magically creating new frames, it's just making jive up for between frames. Comparing that to this is like comparing upscalling a DVD to Blu-Ray, a comparison which has no validity.

As for 48fps, I don't think I need to even see it to say I think it's a good idea. It's giving me a more accurate view of what's going on. If it looks "fake" it's because my brain is made stupid by 24fps movies. It's closer to reality, so it's better. The "look" of cinema is an illusion created by the limitations of 24fps film technology.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:42 AM

QUOTE(mx-01 archon @ Apr 24 2012, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh good, I'm not the only one who hates that "Soap Opera effect" from the TruMotion feature on new TVs. It just looks unnatural. The effect of 24FPS is so commonplace that it's literally ingrained in my mind as part of the cinematic feeling.

Although I really do wonder how true 48FPS differs. I somehow doubt it looks as blatantly artificial as TruMotion.



Yea, that effect is horrific. There's also an issue of anything that has been rendered digitally. Digital rendering is still done 1 frame at a time, and any motion blur is a result of 24 fps and looks fairly natural. When you falsely accelerate things using these terrible functions, suddenly that gorgeous digital effect looks like a cheap knock off of a Harryhausen effect got slapped into your movie.

I despise the feature as it is now, but I have no objection to seeing what a properly and purposefully made 48fps can look like.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:13 AM

I can't wait.

I've hated 24fps ever since I took my film class back in the late 90s. Once it was pointed out to me, that's all I could see.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Apr 24 2012, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It will make old 24fps look as bad as SD.

So what you're saying is, I'll still think 24fps looks fine, and proponents of 48fps will take this as a personal affront.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

I look forward to seeing this be implemented.


Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE(Zek @ Apr 25 2012, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....


You do. "The Hobbit" is going to be made available to exhibitors in 2D 24/48fps and 3D 24/48fps.
Yep.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Apr 25 2012, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Benbot @ Apr 24 2012, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It will make old 24fps look as bad as SD.

So what you're saying is, I'll still think 24fps looks fine, and proponents of 48fps will take this as a personal affront.

I agree with ▲ndrusi.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:52 PM

Me too, actually. And I work in film/TV/new media.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Zek @ Apr 25 2012, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....


You do. "The Hobbit" is going to be made available to exhibitors in 2D 24/48fps and 3D 24/48fps.


Well then! Looks like I shall be enjoying The Hobbit then!

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:05 PM

Don't wanna movies with TV studio feel.
CGI effects will suffer the most as they will look even faker with bigger frame rate (unnatural motion becoming more obvious).

Edited by D.M, 25 April 2012 - 05:08 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:09 PM

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Apr 25 2012, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TruMotion or whatever else it is called sucks because it's making up frames to fill in between the real ones. 48fps is the future unlike 3D. It will make old 24fps look as bad as SD.

30fps didn't made 24fps look bad, so why should this?
In fact, I'm not sure if anyone will be able to tell the difference between 30fps and 48fps.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 25 2012, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to the Allspark!
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Or just differing opinions. Honestly, you're taking the dislike of TruMotion/MotionFlow/AquoMotion/etc. pretty personally. It's just a cheapo DSP algorithm on a chip somewhere in your TV; its feelings aren't going to be hurt, lol.

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#38 Cheetimus Primal

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
THANK GOD!
Every time I see a movie I like I think to myself, "I can't wait to get this on Bluray so it'll look better and I can see everything more clearly."
I welcome this change wholeheartedly.



QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because you don't own one. When I got my TV it was so odd yet with Bluray movies it was transfixing. It took me a while to get used to it but once I did I was in love.
Of course I adjust the framerate depending on what I'm watching, that only makes sense.

Believe me, watching the right stuff in the comfort of your home is grand. It makes going to the movies a tad lamer.



QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So much hate.
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QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True motion tends to make things look like they're moving more fluidly but it's still 2-D so it comes off as just odd. And when the frame rate is already low such as with none bluray movies it looks extra odd when the camera pans side to side as that tends to have a better frame rate than the film itself. If you're not used to it the effect can be jarring.
I expect it's really uncomfortable for those prone to motion sickness but I'm not one of those people so I'm just guessing.



QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 25 2012, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to the Allspark!
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So participating in the discussion from a viewpoint differing from yours and tacking on a joke (because I've never been known to joke around at all ever in the history of the Allspark) is taking it personally.

Noted. Thanks for telling me my opinion.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Zek @ Apr 25 2012, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....


You do. "The Hobbit" is going to be made available to exhibitors in 2D 24/48fps and 3D 24/48fps.

This concerns me... I already have to jump through hoops to find 2D showings (well, that's overstating it, but basically, the theaters near me will usually have the first showing of the day in 2D, and that's it), and now I have to factor framerate into that too. Hopefully Fandango will be diligent about sorting it out.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:39 PM

I've learned to not blindly go to a showing of a movie as friend has picked out lest I end up watching John carter in 3-D again... ugh.
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