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@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:29 PM)

Oh wait, I see it's been addressed.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

I was when I posted that, yeah. I'll let you know if it happens again.

@  Dracula : (28 September 2016 - 02:10 PM)

You're clicking on threads and they're redirecting to that?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 September 2016 - 01:05 PM)

Why do forum pages keep forwarding me to this? http://www.allsparkt...2VjMDYxZTQxYmVl

@  Broadside : (28 September 2016 - 12:05 PM)

Anyone know what the caption on this page refers to? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primon

@  RichardT1977 : (28 September 2016 - 09:53 AM)

After the season finale where RM Corp found a way to make thinking Bots, I was hoping for a continuation of the story where Paradim learned the hard way the downside of Bots that can say, "No."

@  Rycochet : (28 September 2016 - 09:40 AM)

I liked Phantom 2040 more.

@  Blues : (27 September 2016 - 05:08 PM)

I LOVE BOT MASTER SO MUCH. Too bad the toys sucked. I even own jungle fiver. I love him so much, but he can barely stand on his own.

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 September 2016 - 05:03 PM)

That's the 90s.

@  MEDdMI : (27 September 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Ninjzz? That's an unfortunate name.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 04:44 PM)

Also I thought Fico Ossio was quite nice on Revolutions.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 04:36 PM)

You know the planet is in a jam, a diabolical plan of only one man. Louis Leon Paradim an international punk, and his army of 3As are his piece of junk.

@  Telly : (27 September 2016 - 04:26 PM)

for the longest time i thought jungle fiver was called jungle fiBer

@  Bass X0 : (27 September 2016 - 04:21 PM)

Does anybody remember the cartoon Bots Master? I enjoyed the show but looking back on it, most of the robot designs were lame. The only cool designs were Jungle Fiver and Ninjzz although the toys were nothing compared to Transformers of course. I thought the main human characters were decent enough for a show about robots. 

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:43 PM)

Although this is odd to me, since I'm fairly sure they are/were good friends.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 02:42 PM)

Yeah I stopped liking the guy when I found his Twitter.

@  zephyrX9 : (27 September 2016 - 12:35 PM)

https://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/779870732935233536 link

@  unluckiness : (27 September 2016 - 09:16 AM)

I cut out the middleman and assume that they're all jerks and/or shills.

@  Rycochet : (27 September 2016 - 07:15 AM)

Social media is the worst thing to happen to fandom, you can now see people whose work you like being jerks or shills on a daily basis, which is worse than a bad interview or two.

@  Robowang : (27 September 2016 - 07:12 AM)

Dirty Jerk Warts?

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:05 AM)

Also, I guess he hates IDW Soundwave for not being an emotionless brick like the cartoon version? Man. Any enjoyment of Animated in future is going to be tainted for me by the fact that DJW is the worst kind of boring Geewunner.

@  Broadside : (27 September 2016 - 07:04 AM)

He also hates Action Man for no apparent reason other than "I don't know who this is and I don't care to find out". Which isn't fair, because Ian is the best character in IDW.

@  Jalaguy : (27 September 2016 - 06:47 AM)

DJW was mouthing off about the art for Revolution the other day too, doesn't entirely surprise.

@  Verity Carlo : (27 September 2016 - 05:11 AM)

Do you have a link, zephyr?

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh!!

@  Cabooceratops : (27 September 2016 - 01:36 AM)

bweh bweh

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 10:11 PM)

Sipher's.

@  Telly : (26 September 2016 - 10:08 PM)

*has flashbacks of the "image wars"*

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

Sakamoto or Sipher's art?

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 September 2016 - 08:17 PM)

Oof.

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 08:05 PM)

Sipher made a sarcastic remark about Sakamoto's skeeviness. Derrick called him an a**hole, and insulted his art, which was a low, unnecessary blow.

@  Touch My Thighs : (26 September 2016 - 07:43 PM)

What did Derrick do?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:42 PM)

That makes sense, thank you.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 September 2016 - 07:30 PM)

Derrick J. Wyatt?

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 07:21 PM)

Djw?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 September 2016 - 05:45 PM)

wow, didn't expect to have to block djw on twitter

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 02:48 PM)

Yeah, it was really sad that they didn't survive in any of the endings. Eaten by Unicron every time.

@  Bass X0 : (26 September 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I wish I could have seen Kick Axe live.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 September 2016 - 10:14 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk WWE Raw is on tonight. By the third hour, it'll probably feel the same, minus the actual physical trauma.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2016 - 09:51 AM)

I think I'd rather punch myself in the nuts.

@  Dracula : (26 September 2016 - 09:34 AM)

I think I'll watch Godzilla versus Gigan instead

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 September 2016 - 09:32 AM)

Hillary versus Trump tonight. Oh boy.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2016 - 06:53 AM)

I think I'm just too used to metal to not understand the lyrics.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 06:02 AM)

it's a vile interruption, chess the scripture way

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 03:49 AM)

I've had versions where the issue doesn't come up (or at least doesn't come up in the part I notice the most), but the version that got remastered for Bluray and DVD releases have it.

@  Nevermore : (26 September 2016 - 02:05 AM)

I initially misheard "flying tools of torment" as "we're flyin' into some torment".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (26 September 2016 - 01:08 AM)

If it's a problem with all released versions, maybe the original audio source was itself damaged?

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

I wish they'd relase a remastered version that fixed the audio and included at least had an option to have the text crawl rather than the credits at the start.

@  Telly : (25 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

tryin to buy the movie from amazon for $20-ish. the price of it has been fluctuating like crazy. not a day has gone by that it hasnt dropped to one price and then gone back up a few hours later. never seen a price fluctuate so much

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 07:57 PM)

Then again, a lot of versions of the movie had pretty bad sound quality, even the most recent blu-rays mess it up in places, so it's not as much our fault if we misheard stuff.


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#21 CORVUS

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:32 PM

Fair enough.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 10:35 PM

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Most Soaps aren't filmed on Film anymore they are filmed on video tape or digital because it's a faster turn around to the editing room.

It's also much, much, much, MUCH cheaper. Filmstock tends to run hundreds of dollars per inch, IIRC.

Well that too, also a weekly show can spend more money on film because they aren't taping for a five day a week run like most soaps do. Daytime dramas don't do reruns the stories are continous so the need for cheap, fast, recordable stock is much more important than it is on a show that runs once a week doing anywhere from 12 to 26 episodes in a season.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:16 AM

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In the opening minutes, I thought to myself "this looks like the TV department when they turn on 120Hz or TruMotion or whatever they call it". At once, it really doesn?t look like that. The smooth motion clarity is similar, but the 120Hz TV setting is the TV inventing visual information to fill in loads of completely nonexistent frames, creating the bulljive garbage you see walking through most TV departments in stores. Again, there is an element that 48fps and TruMotion share (which is where the comparison comes from), but 48 fps does not simply ?look like Korean soap operas? or TruMotion-enhanced TV images. That?s a reductive, sensationalist, utterly bulljive equivocation.

yes, i want to take basebats to those tv's.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:35 AM

I'm not especially good with resolution and frames per second and all that stuff, so forgive me if this comes off as woefully ignorant... because it probably is.

But with video games, I see a lot of talk about 60 frames per second and all being... well, people seem to treat it like the norm, and anything less is some sort of affront to humanity, or something.

So, if frames per second in movies are approaching 60 with this, does this mean that movies are going to somehow look more like some video games?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:49 AM

TrueMotion and such are trash, because it's not magically creating new frames, it's just making jive up for between frames. Comparing that to this is like comparing upscalling a DVD to Blu-Ray, a comparison which has no validity.

As for 48fps, I don't think I need to even see it to say I think it's a good idea. It's giving me a more accurate view of what's going on. If it looks "fake" it's because my brain is made stupid by 24fps movies. It's closer to reality, so it's better. The "look" of cinema is an illusion created by the limitations of 24fps film technology.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:42 AM

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Oh good, I'm not the only one who hates that "Soap Opera effect" from the TruMotion feature on new TVs. It just looks unnatural. The effect of 24FPS is so commonplace that it's literally ingrained in my mind as part of the cinematic feeling.

Although I really do wonder how true 48FPS differs. I somehow doubt it looks as blatantly artificial as TruMotion.



Yea, that effect is horrific. There's also an issue of anything that has been rendered digitally. Digital rendering is still done 1 frame at a time, and any motion blur is a result of 24 fps and looks fairly natural. When you falsely accelerate things using these terrible functions, suddenly that gorgeous digital effect looks like a cheap knock off of a Harryhausen effect got slapped into your movie.

I despise the feature as it is now, but I have no objection to seeing what a properly and purposefully made 48fps can look like.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:13 AM

I can't wait.

I've hated 24fps ever since I took my film class back in the late 90s. Once it was pointed out to me, that's all I could see.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

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It will make old 24fps look as bad as SD.

So what you're saying is, I'll still think 24fps looks fine, and proponents of 48fps will take this as a personal affront.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

I look forward to seeing this be implemented.


Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

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Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....


You do. "The Hobbit" is going to be made available to exhibitors in 2D 24/48fps and 3D 24/48fps.
Yep.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Benbot @ Apr 24 2012, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It will make old 24fps look as bad as SD.

So what you're saying is, I'll still think 24fps looks fine, and proponents of 48fps will take this as a personal affront.

I agree with ▲ndrusi.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 12:52 PM

Me too, actually. And I work in film/TV/new media.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

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Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....


You do. "The Hobbit" is going to be made available to exhibitors in 2D 24/48fps and 3D 24/48fps.


Well then! Looks like I shall be enjoying The Hobbit then!

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:05 PM

Don't wanna movies with TV studio feel.
CGI effects will suffer the most as they will look even faker with bigger frame rate (unnatural motion becoming more obvious).

Edited by D.M, 25 April 2012 - 05:08 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

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TruMotion or whatever else it is called sucks because it's making up frames to fill in between the real ones. 48fps is the future unlike 3D. It will make old 24fps look as bad as SD.

30fps didn't made 24fps look bad, so why should this?
In fact, I'm not sure if anyone will be able to tell the difference between 30fps and 48fps.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 25 2012, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Or just differing opinions. Honestly, you're taking the dislike of TruMotion/MotionFlow/AquoMotion/etc. pretty personally. It's just a cheapo DSP algorithm on a chip somewhere in your TV; its feelings aren't going to be hurt, lol.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:17 PM

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THANK GOD!
Every time I see a movie I like I think to myself, "I can't wait to get this on Bluray so it'll look better and I can see everything more clearly."
I welcome this change wholeheartedly.



QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because you don't own one. When I got my TV it was so odd yet with Bluray movies it was transfixing. It took me a while to get used to it but once I did I was in love.
Of course I adjust the framerate depending on what I'm watching, that only makes sense.

Believe me, watching the right stuff in the comfort of your home is grand. It makes going to the movies a tad lamer.



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So much hate.
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QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 24 2012, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True motion tends to make things look like they're moving more fluidly but it's still 2-D so it comes off as just odd. And when the frame rate is already low such as with none bluray movies it looks extra odd when the camera pans side to side as that tends to have a better frame rate than the film itself. If you're not used to it the effect can be jarring.
I expect it's really uncomfortable for those prone to motion sickness but I'm not one of those people so I'm just guessing.



QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Apr 25 2012, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to the Allspark!
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So participating in the discussion from a viewpoint differing from yours and tacking on a joke (because I've never been known to joke around at all ever in the history of the Allspark) is taking it personally.

Noted. Thanks for telling me my opinion.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Zek @ Apr 25 2012, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now if we can get 48 fps 3D....


You do. "The Hobbit" is going to be made available to exhibitors in 2D 24/48fps and 3D 24/48fps.

This concerns me... I already have to jump through hoops to find 2D showings (well, that's overstating it, but basically, the theaters near me will usually have the first showing of the day in 2D, and that's it), and now I have to factor framerate into that too. Hopefully Fandango will be diligent about sorting it out.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 05:39 PM

I've learned to not blindly go to a showing of a movie as friend has picked out lest I end up watching John carter in 3-D again... ugh.
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