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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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#1 M3Gr1ml0ck

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 04:19 PM

An alternate take on the G1 cartoon continuity, supported by the friend fanprojects of Seeds Of Deception and The Lost Seasons.



Lineart by Ibai.
Colors by Maxed.
Story and lettering by Franco.
Edits by Ha-hee Prime.

Read the Comments to page 1 for more stories in this same continuity, and subscbribe to this thread for the upcoming sequels!

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 02:17 PM

G1 - The Pretender Wars saga

Continuing our alternate take on the G1 cartoon continuity (after The Rebirth!).

Supported by the friend fanprojects of Seeds Of Deception and The Lost Seasons.



Lineart by Ibai.
Colors by Brenden.
Story and lettering by Franco.
Edits by Ha-hee Prime.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:59 PM

Really not feeling this storyline at all :\
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:06 AM

Pretender Wars: Madness Attacks!


And don't miss the Beast Within Trilogy!



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:19 PM

It seems really wrong to me that you chose, "Asian" for Landmine, when... well... Landmine is explicitly based on Indiana Jones. Like, it even mentions Indiana Jones BY NAME in his profile. Why not make him look like Harrison Ford?

--Andrew S.
(And his sword isn't nearly as cool as the toy's real sword.)

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:30 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ May 5 2013, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It seems really wrong to me that you chose, "Asian" for Landmine, when... well... Landmine is explicitly based on Indiana Jones. Like, it even mentions Indiana Jones BY NAME in his profile. Why not make him look like Harrison Ford?

--Andrew S.
(And his sword isn't nearly as cool as the toy's real sword.)

His face appears to be copied off an Udon Street Fighter shot of Ryu.
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:26 PM

Ryu looks nothing like Harrison Ford!

--Andrew S.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:45 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ May 5 2013, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ryu looks nothing like Harrison Ford!

--Andrew S.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:59 AM

I'm enjoying the hell out of this! Particularly the use of Furmanisms.

This is a neat take on a concept that doesn't get enough love.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

Call of the Primitive

The Transformers: Seeds Of Deception project presents a new episode from the friend project G1 Season 4: "An Italian Detour".
It's Grimlock versus Galvatron, in a story set between Season 3 and Season 4 ("The Rebirth") of the Transformers G1 cartoon!




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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:27 PM

QUOTE(electricidad @ May 24 2013, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm enjoying the hell out of this! Particularly the use of Furmanisms.

This is a neat take on a concept that doesn't get enough love.


Thanks! Where would our Tf comics be without Furman's work?

And yes, I always loved Pretenders but it seemed that no one cared about rooting their origins in the Transformers lore.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 02:12 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ May 5 2013, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It seems really wrong to me that you chose, "Asian" for Landmine, when... well... Landmine is explicitly based on Indiana Jones. Like, it even mentions Indiana Jones BY NAME in his profile. Why not make him look like Harrison Ford?

--Andrew S.
(And his sword isn't nearly as cool as the toy's real sword.)


Eh, you know how it works: at the time, it seemed like a good idea...I mean, avoiding to make a supposedly god-based humanoid shell look like a "Star Wars fame" actor.
Also, there was the "precedent" of Skullgrin, that made us say: movie stars again?
And finally: unfortunately, we just don't have enough support and feedback to get all the details right during the development time icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 04:00 PM

The Transformers: Seeds Of Deception presents a new episode from the friend project G1 Season 4: "An Italian Detour".
It's Grimlock & Galvatron versus Unicron's Herald, in a story set between Season 3 and Season 4 ("The Rebirth") of the Transformers G1 cartoon!



Developing the unholy team-up that started in Call of the Primitive, this miniseries expands a never-explored-before subplot, weaving threads from Transformers: The Movie (1986), Season 3 and more!
What will happen when Primacron's newest creations emerge from his Plasma Energy Chamber? Will they be tainted by Unicron's evil or blessed by Primus' knowledge?



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:35 PM

The Transformers: Seeds Of Deception presents a cover for the friend project G1 Season 4: "An Italian Detour".
It's Grimlock versus Galvatron versus Starscream, as told in A Real Autobot Hero, a story set between Season 3 and Season 4 ("The Rebirth") of the Transformers G1 cartoon!



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE(Boltax @ May 6 2013, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It seems really wrong to me that you chose, "Asian" for Landmine, when... well... Landmine is explicitly based on Indiana Jones. Like, it even mentions Indiana Jones BY NAME in his profile. Why not make him look like Harrison Ford?

--Andrew S.
(And his sword isn't nearly as cool as the toy's real sword.)


Personally, I'd have used the Masterforce appearances for how their shells' faces look.

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 04:18 PM

The Transformers: Seeds Of Deception presents a new episode from the friend project G1 Season 4: "An Italian Detour".
It's the biggest event of the saga (yet), as The Road To The Rebirth reaches its end, in a story set between Season 3 and Season 4 ("The Rebirth") of the Transformers G1 cartoon!

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They are finally here! Emerging from the Plasma Energy of the primordial Chamber/Foundry, Primacron's newest creations are ready to pick an alliance: will they bow to Starscream and Unicron or side with the unexpected All-Are-One alliance of Grimlock and Galvatron?
Also, Primacron's Assistant meets his own destiny--and this spells doom for Wheelie!



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 05:03 PM

Nebulan Prometheus

The Transformers: Seeds Of Deception presents a new episode from the friend project G1 Season 4: "An Italian Detour".

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All the Hive secrets are out! Why was a Lithone among Zarak's Nebulans in the underground Hive Citadel? Why do the Nebulans look so ugly, almost as if they were decaying under our eyes?
Why can they control machines with their minds?
Where did that Fortress Maximus city come from? And what about the Pretender Wars in Nebulos' prehistory?
Plus: the arrival of Cyclonus' Decepticons on Nebulos in 2007!
 






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