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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:56 PM

Well... Call the line "Beast Wars" then. New name, but still has a bit of nostalgia behind it icon-fire.gif

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:00 PM

Would they get imported to Canada as 'Beasties'? icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Apr 19 2012, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Liege @ Apr 19 2012, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These look sweet. Sadly, I imagine DST's versions will stop these from having a domestic release here icon-screamer.gif.


I wouldn't be too sure of that. Hasbro/Takara are much larger more powerful companies than DST, with much bigger broader markets and lots more money. At most I think it could keep them from being called "Battle Beasts" if released here, but y'know I honestly doubt even that.

If Has/Tak want to release something here, a check to DST would be pretty simple for them I think.


-ZacWilliam, of course who knows if Hasbro would want to, but I'd love it if they did. Oh the blind-pack spending...


If Has/Tak releases these here, as some sort of Beyblade or Bakugan (sp?) Rival, they should call it Beast Wars and roll it into the Prime Mythos.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:23 PM

Bakugan's kinda old hat with kids now anyway, isn't it?
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE(Phlis @ Apr 19 2012, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Apr 19 2012, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Liege @ Apr 19 2012, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
These look sweet. Sadly, I imagine DST's versions will stop these from having a domestic release here icon-screamer.gif.


I wouldn't be too sure of that. Hasbro/Takara are much larger more powerful companies than DST, with much bigger broader markets and lots more money. At most I think it could keep them from being called "Battle Beasts" if released here, but y'know I honestly doubt even that.

If Has/Tak want to release something here, a check to DST would be pretty simple for them I think.


-ZacWilliam, of course who knows if Hasbro would want to, but I'd love it if they did. Oh the blind-pack spending...


If Has/Tak releases these here, as some sort of Beyblade or Bakugan (sp?) Rival, they should call it Beast Wars and roll it into the Prime Mythos.


Beyblade is already Hasbro's. I kinda doubt they'd want to release these as a rival to that icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:03 PM

Bakugan still holds lots of space in toy aisles, and having Beyblade didn't stop Hasbro from introducing Botshots.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:12 PM

I'd think then that already having a line of figures with cubes in their chests as part of a game sold here would make it a pretty safe bet that we won't be seeing Beast Fight on US shelves any time soon.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:39 PM

I like the aesthetics of these. These are much more toys than the Diamond Select ones, and that's one of the parts of the franchise Diamond Select doesn't seem to have grasped.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:55 PM

Now these, THESE are something I could get behind.

I like how they properly capture the ridiculousness of warring animals clad in armor. The very realistic heads are superb (if you look at that Dolphin and don't crack a smile there is something wrong with you...)

The DST versions seem to hung up on being "super serious" warring mystical animal stuff... feeling like a throwback to the late 90's/early 00's. Like the random (lame) stuff you'd find in the back of your comic book store, perhaps at a discount.

I'm definitely going to have import some of these, and reward the better line with my monies!

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:20 PM

I really want that bat. The color scheme plus the gold speaker-looking things in his shoulders make him look extremely Ratbat-ish.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:50 PM

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Apr 19 2012, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really want that bat. The color scheme plus the gold speaker-looking things in his shoulders make him look extremely Ratbat-ish.

I thought Mindwipe. Maybe they are speakers on his shoulders? They looked like turbines to me.


The Walrus also appears to be wearing a bathtub/submarine.

I'll still buy the minimates because they'll be fairly cheap and accessible. The design isn;t to bad, and some of the accessories fix my main problem with them (the legs).

Edited by Nanite, 19 April 2012 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:30 PM

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These are incredible. They're everything updated battle beasts should be. And more. I'm so pumped for the game as well. I think these would definitively have a place on toy shelves over here. I wouldn't even care if Hasbro dusted off "Beast Wars" and through that on their packaging.

Now, the real question is, when can I buy these?

Praise being said, I still want some minimate battle beasts. All this product is making up for their complete absence as a line for over 20 years. I wouldn't want to sacrifice one for the other-I want them all.



QUOTE(NightViper @ Apr 19 2012, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well... Call the line "Beast Wars" then. New name, but still has a bit of nostalgia behind it icon-fire.gif


Great minds think alike! Although anything new would be incredible. Maybe when Diamond bought the license it was a reminder to TakaraTomy the line existed in the first place and they decided to take another crack at it. It does seem weird that both versions of Battle Beasts are coming out THIS fall, after essentially 20 years of nothing.

Also, I want to know how to play this damn game yesterday.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:54 PM

I was really impressed when i saw these at a recent press conference. They really do look just like the original Battle Beasts.
There's a lot of good stuff in the works for this line...

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:19 AM

I'd also wager that folks will custom up water/wood/fire dice for these things in no time.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:27 AM

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Damnit.

I had to pre-order the set with the shark.

Damnit.

I love how BBTS lists the animal type next to each one, except for that one weird-ass one. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 05:28 AM

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I love how BBTS lists the animal type next to each one, except for that one weird-ass one. icon-fire.gif



Sailfish or Hummingbird? Or the unholy love child of both...


ZacWilliam, The weird-ass one of course is the one that absolutely screams Battle Beast to me the most. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:36 AM

Since they has been finally revealed, I can now say I did some work for this line, mostly on the sea creatures assortment.
So far I recognize Pirazon (the piranha) and Coelence (the coelacanthus) - other may have been re-drawn or revised (like with the swordfish guy, they changed the design quite a bit, but kept my weapons designs).
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:42 AM

That's awesome Guido and that sounds interesting Hydra. Since these are small there is nothing that doesn't permit playsets and vehicles.

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:51 AM

QUOTE(Guido @ Apr 20 2012, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since they has been finally revealed, I can now say I did some work for this line, mostly on the sea creatures assortment.
So far I recognize Pirazon (the piranha) and Coelence (the coelacanthus) - other may have been re-drawn or revised (like with the swordfish guy, they changed the design quite a bit, but kept my weapons designs).
Great to see the toyline coming to (plastic) life!


That's pretty awesome to hear. I thought they did a good job of capturing the general aesthetic of the old toys so hearing you were involved somewhat makes sense. Good Job. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE(Kira Kira @ Apr 19 2012, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The DST versions seem to hung up on being "super serious" warring mystical animal stuff... feeling like a throwback to the late 90's/early 00's. Like the random (lame) stuff you'd find in the back of your comic book store, perhaps at a discount.

Yeah, that is PRECISELY my problem with the DST Beasts. NONE of the charm of the originals.


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