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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#1 MrBlud

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:54 AM

For some reason I really identify Inferno and Grapple with the collar things they had on the G1 show and G1 molds. I realize that was merely an aspect of the mold they decided to carry over but for me it's as integral to their character (or at least the representation) as say the door wings on Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen or the hood on Huffer.

The updated Universe molds are wonderful and all but because they lack them; having instead regular fully movable heads they've always felt "off" to me. Same thing with Botcon Huffer honestly but that was a repaint so I can't really complain.

I know having their heads in something like that would've probably *massively* impeded their articulation but I still hope/wish someone like Venksta would make an aftermarket version I could use to "fix" mine.

Anybody feel the same way?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:03 AM

Not really. It honestly looks kind of dumb.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:09 AM

if it had a way to connect the hook on grapple ... and came with head wings for inferno
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:21 AM

I do miss it quite a bit -- the unconventional overall head+collar shape is certainly key to their look, for me, very much like Gears and Huffer -- but not exactly enough to shell out that kind of dough for it.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:33 AM

yep I miss it Inferno..or Grapple I have always had one or the other sence I was a kid
and I like the great head design tucked far in the back of the vehical

Ah well cant get all your nastalga bombs in one toy

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 02:35 AM

QUOTE(Destron D-69 @ Apr 19 2012, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if it had a way to connect the hook on grapple ... and came with head wings for inferno


Well the ideal Inferno one would obviously come with the wings sticking out like on the show.

...connecting the hook on Grapple would be pretty awesome.

You could probably use the same basic shape for each but have a connection point on the back of Grapple's for the hook and places on the side of Inferno's for the wings.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:06 AM

but guise the hook is already connected on grapel
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:06 AM

I could go for it, Blud. I hadn't really thought about it before you mentioned it, but I could. I had Inferno and my brother had Grapple as kids and I've always thought that mold was one of the best.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:36 AM

I agree. I absolutely wouldn't want some aftermarket thing, though; the point of the thing was that it was an integral part of the transformation, so having an extra cosmetic piece would just feel wrong.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:03 AM

Inferno has never looked like Inferno to me. Whether it's because of the missing neckbrace, or the completely different body style, I'm not sure. (Actually, it's probably a bit of both.) But whatever the reason, it makes me want a new Inferno as much as some other fans want a new Ironhide.

The Universe toy just completely fails to capture the character, in my opinion. And, unfortunately, the same goes for any G1 Inferno repaints out of the Universe mold (Grapple, Artfire, any would-be Haulers).

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:10 AM

Hmm, would a ladder for Inferno have helped? Just wondering how much of the essential Inferno-ness is lacking in the Universe toy.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Apr 19 2012, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, would a ladder for Inferno have helped? Just wondering how much of the essential Inferno-ness is lacking in the Universe toy.


If it would change the overall design of the to make the vehicle mode look longer and the robot mode look "taller", maybe.

But really ladder or pump truck doesn't really matter to me. It's just that G1 Inferno was one of the first toys to have somewhat human proportions compared to the Autobots around him. Which always made that aspect of his toy stand out in my mind. So the big chunky no-waist Universe toy was a disappointment since we first saw images of it.

Edited by NightViper, 19 April 2012 - 08:16 AM.


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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:06 AM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Apr 19 2012, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it would change the overall design of the to make the vehicle mode look longer and the robot mode look "taller", maybe.

But really ladder or pump truck doesn't really matter to me. It's just that G1 Inferno was one of the first toys to have somewhat human proportions compared to the Autobots around him. Which always made that aspect of his toy stand out in my mind. So the big chunky no-waist Universe toy was a disappointment since we first saw images of it.

This. G1 Inferno was built like a basketball player. Universe Inferno is just too short and blocky. He's like a kid wearing a cardboard box costume.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 09:45 AM

Me neither. I mean, yeah, the G1 toys had it because the heads were inside the (non-rotateable) turrets, but I can understand how a different transformation makes them redundant.

It is important for Hot Spot/Defensor, though. I always liked how he was the only Gestalt at the time to have his gestalt head integrated into his alt mode in this way.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Apr 19 2012, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NightViper @ Apr 19 2012, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it would change the overall design of the to make the vehicle mode look longer and the robot mode look "taller", maybe.

But really ladder or pump truck doesn't really matter to me. It's just that G1 Inferno was one of the first toys to have somewhat human proportions compared to the Autobots around him. Which always made that aspect of his toy stand out in my mind. So the big chunky no-waist Universe toy was a disappointment since we first saw images of it.

This. G1 Inferno was built like a basketball player. Universe Inferno is just too short and blocky. He's like a kid wearing a cardboard box costume.


A point guard, maybe.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:03 PM

yes C16 it is - but if we're willing to modify our toys to the point of 'wishing for 3rd party add ons' - popping off a mushroom clip, isn't really crossing any new ground icon-arcee.gif
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:26 PM

I find Universe Inferno's proportions match the cartoon pretty well. He's just a box with legs.



Basketball player, not so much.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:28 PM

I'm pretty sure that's what the toy was too.
In both modes.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:36 PM

Naw, the toy's robot mode was indeed more tall-looking than fat-looking. He still had a big gut, regardless, it was just a big gut that looked tinier since it was a smaller portion of his tall torso. ...a tall torso which was possible because Inferno transformed into the worst-ever fire truck toy. Oy.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 01:38 PM

And when that same transformation was done decades later it just made Optimus look fat. Funny that.
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