Jump to content


Entertainment Earth


Toggle shoutbox Squawkbox Open the Shoutbox in a popup

Please don't post Youtube videos in the chat box. The forums software auto embeds them. 

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


Photo

Playing Half-Life 2 <3


16 replies to this topic

#1 Sobana

Sobana
  • MORON
  • 462 posts

Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:30 PM

Half-Life 2 is not what I expected, in the first game I was a scientist fighting his way through a secret lab trying to stop an inter-dimensional alien invasion, I thought for sure this game would follow suit like every other game does. But no, I am pleasantly surprised about how well the second game turned out so far.

I'm no longer trying to stop an invasion, they already won, I'm fighting for the resistance, I believe, they really aren't that clear on my overall objective so far. I think I'm suppose to stop this one guy in charge, but it looks more like I'm running away from him instead. Everyone I run into is in a hurry to get me some were, but I can't really say why yet.

All I know for sure so far is I'm being hunted down by the Civil Protection gas-mask neo-nazi squad in what I can only presume is the world capital of fuel barrel production. I mean there is an insane, unrealistic amount of explosive barrels every where. Each house has like three inside and there seems to be more barrels then I got ammo to shot them with. o.O

So far I love all the new weapons and game mechanics, the puzzles are fun and satisfying, the sensory is amazing, the music is great and I adore all the vehicle chases.

I can't wait to see how this is all going to end! =D <3

#2 Pocket

Pocket

    Lesser Dog appears!

  • Citizen
  • 2546 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 19 April 2012 - 03:09 PM

QUOTE(Sobana @ Apr 18 2012, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll have to remember to recommend a certain webcomic to you once you finish the game.All I know for sure so far is I'm being hunted down by the Civil Protection gas-mask neo-nazi squad in what I can only presume is the world capital of fuel barrel production. I mean there is an insane, unrealistic amount of explosive barrels every where. Each house has like three inside and there seems to be more barrels then I got ammo to shot them with. o.O

I'll have to remember to recommend a certain webcomic to you once you finish the game.
"Pinkie's brain is kind of like a supersonic missile without a targeting system." - Creature SH

"Pinkie Pie is not so much random as she is non-linear." - Dvandom

"I like Discord like this. He's gone from a villain to something more akin to a natural disaster." - Fnu Aw

#3 Guest_Slander_*

Guest_Slander_*
  • Guests

Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:37 PM

You really ought to consolidate your Adventures In Playing Games Everybody Else Beat Years Ago into one thread.

My first playthrough of HL2, I really felt like the vehicle sections were way too long. However, on subsequent playthroughs, they're my favorite parts. Are you also going to do the Episodes?

Edited by Slander, 19 April 2012 - 04:39 PM.


#4 Sobana

Sobana
  • MORON
  • 462 posts

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:19 PM

QUOTE(Slander @ Apr 19 2012, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You really ought to consolidate your Adventures In Playing Games Everybody Else Beat Years Ago into one thread.

That would be a silly thing to do, I want to discuss specific things about specific games. Why not complain about all the different Mass Effect threads running around? By that logic we shouldn't even have a game discussion sub-forum at all and just consolidate all threads into one topic =p Think of the money we will save that way! =D

Besides, not everyone can afford every new release each week. >.>

QUOTE(Zecora @ Apr 19 2012, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Never played half-Life 1, but what I found amusing about Half-Life 2 is that you're part of the most ridiculously out-gunned and out-matched resistance movement seemingly ever portrayed in a video game. The reason you spend most of the game running away is because there's no hope of taking them head on. You'll see why later on when things really start to fall apart.

You should play the first one, even with it's age and lesser graphics, it is still more fun then *shudders* modern shooter games. The set up and ending of the first one is totally different to how the second game started.

That is a hard one to top, my guess would probably be odd world. I think it was pretty funny listening to the guy in charge yelling at his soldiers over the radio like "How can you not catch him? He is just a scientist! He is not a skilled assassin nor a special commando! And to the best of my knowledge he didn't take any covert training during his absence!"

QUOTE(Slander @ Apr 19 2012, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you also going to do the Episodes?

Of course! ^.^ There is just two of them, right?

#5 Touch My Thighs

Touch My Thighs

    Always do the opposite of what TMT says

  • Citizen
  • 37807 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Freezing Tropics

Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:21 PM

QUOTE
That would be a silly thing to do, I want to discuss specific things about specific games. Why not complain about all the different Mass Effect threads running around? By that logic we shouldn't even have a game discussion sub-forum at all and just consolidate all threads into one topic =p Think of the money we will save that way! =D

Besides, not everyone can afford every new release each week. >.>


Don't be Hyperbolic. You're picking old games. You're playing them all in a sort of procession. Make a thread and save space.

01110010 01101111 01110011 01100101 01100010 01110101 01100100 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01101110 01100001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01101111 01100110 00100000 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110011 01101100


#6 skankerzero

skankerzero

    Back in Austin!!

  • Citizen
  • 7379 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Austin, TX
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:00 AM

QUOTE(Sobana @ Apr 19 2012, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Besides, not everyone can afford every new release each week. >.>

heh.

You make it sound like this game came out last year, not 8 years ago.
-----------
jesse sosa
owner / creative director
Dinosaur Games
studio art director
Samsung

#7 Undead Scottsman

Undead Scottsman

    THANOSCOPTER

  • Citizen
  • 9915 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:54 AM

Good lord, it nearly HAS been eight years, hasn't it.

That means it's been nearly five years since Episode 2...

#8 Nanite

Nanite

    Imminently Ignorable

  • Supporter
  • 5021 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Screaming Moist (Vancouver, WA)

Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:58 AM

Also kinda sad that I don't think there's been a better FPS since HL2. Good ones, certainly, some even excellent, but none better.
On them twitters

#9 Waspinator

Waspinator

    Waspinator has a headache in his whole body

  • Citizen
  • 21778 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The State of Misery
  • Faction::Predacon

Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:17 AM

Obviously, theoretical physicists have powers beyond the reach of mere mortals.

PjJhR.gif


#10 Lizard King

Lizard King

    I burned out my eyes, I cut off my tounge.

  • Citizen
  • 9600 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Spencer, WV

Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:34 AM

I always felt like this game was really overrated. The gravity gun is the coolest part. And my god, I don't know how many times that hugging boat thing made me rage quit.

#11 ultra magnus13

ultra magnus13

    Razzaroo

  • Citizen
  • 6188 posts
  • Faction::Free Agent

Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:56 PM

QUOTE(Lizard King @ Apr 20 2012, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always felt like this game was really overrated. The gravity gun is the coolest part. And my god, I don't know how many times that hugging boat thing made me rage quit.



Agreed. It does some neat stuff, and presents some stuff in interesting ways. The actual core of the game play isn't very satisfying. Combat feels generic and boring most the time.
I finally got rid of that big white box.

#12 Nanite

Nanite

    Imminently Ignorable

  • Supporter
  • 5021 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Screaming Moist (Vancouver, WA)

Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:58 PM

Those that don't like it, were you playing on a console? I've heard from friends that the console ports are not very good.
On them twitters

#13 Lizard King

Lizard King

    I burned out my eyes, I cut off my tounge.

  • Citizen
  • 9600 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Spencer, WV

Posted 20 April 2012 - 01:53 PM

QUOTE(ultra magnus13 @ Apr 20 2012, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Lizard King @ Apr 20 2012, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always felt like this game was really overrated. The gravity gun is the coolest part. And my god, I don't know how many times that hugging boat thing made me rage quit.



Agreed. It does some neat stuff, and presents some stuff in interesting ways. The actual core of the game play isn't very satisfying. Combat feels generic and boring most the time.

Totally agree. And yeah, I played it once a few years ago, and then again recently, both times on consoles. My problems with the game can't be attributed to it being a bad port. I mainly just didn't find it to be that interesting or original.

#14 skankerzero

skankerzero

    Back in Austin!!

  • Citizen
  • 7379 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Austin, TX
  • Faction::Autobot

Posted 20 April 2012 - 02:31 PM

Well, at the time, it was very original with it's use of physics.

If you're only getting around to it within the past couple years, then yes, it wouldn't be that original anymore.
-----------
jesse sosa
owner / creative director
Dinosaur Games
studio art director
Samsung

#15 Nanite

Nanite

    Imminently Ignorable

  • Supporter
  • 5021 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:The Screaming Moist (Vancouver, WA)

Posted 20 April 2012 - 02:38 PM

I think bad port is legitimate complaint. I recommended the Orange box highly to a friend, who only had a PS3. He bought it, and it was kinda junk. Didn't look as good as the pc verion, invisible walls everywhere, controls kinda sucked.

It think it's also a very PC-style, game. The pacing, the tropes, they're all sort of come from a different style of play and worldbuilding.
On them twitters

#16 Guest_Slander_*

Guest_Slander_*
  • Guests

Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:22 PM

QUOTE(Sobana @ Apr 19 2012, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would be a silly thing to do, I want to discuss specific things about specific games.


That's just it; these threads aren't about discussing the games. If that were the case, you'd just post in the already-extant threads for those franchises. These threads are about your experiences playing through older games. They're you wanting to talk about yourself, not you wanting to talk about games.

QUOTE
Of course! ^.^ There are just two of them, right?


Unfortunately. icon-screamer.gif


#17 Sobana

Sobana
  • MORON
  • 462 posts

Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:33 PM

I didn't even realize the game was eight years old, it didn't feel that old. The ending was just crazy. It leaves so many questions I'm sure would get answered in the following episodes.

QUOTE(Slander @ Apr 20 2012, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sobana @ Apr 19 2012, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That would be a silly thing to do, I want to discuss specific things about specific games.


That's just it; these threads aren't about discussing the games. If that were the case, you'd just post in the already-extant threads for those franchises. These threads are about your experiences playing through older games. They're you wanting to talk about yourself, not you wanting to talk about games.

Those ones are for people who already beat it and want to discuss what happened, not for people who are excited about playing it for the first time and want the experience to be spoiler free. Those conversations usually go...

Me: Hey, I'm playing this game for the first time, looks great! =D

You Guys: Yeah, don't play it. The guy dies at the end.

Me: Wha...?

You Guys: It was totally obvious that one guy was the traitor.

Me: Huh?

You Guys: It is a shame how your love interest died.

Me: ...Please, no spoilers...

You Guys: Psst, this game is X years old. If you don't want spoilers don't come to this thread then.

Me: ... QQ

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Apr 20 2012, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE
That would be a silly thing to do, I want to discuss specific things about specific games. Why not complain about all the different Mass Effect threads running around? By that logic we shouldn't even have a game discussion sub-forum at all and just consolidate all threads into one topic =p Think of the money we will save that way! =D

Besides, not everyone can afford every new release each week. >.>


Don't be Hyperbolic. You're picking old games. You're playing them all in a sort of procession. Make a thread and save space.

That would be in interesting idea, how would that even work? Call it "First play though of old games everyone already beat and no one really wants to discuss" Meh, I'm sure I can work on the title later. It just seems weird to me to have a thread that talks about Mass Effect, then talk about Half-Life, then talk about how easy Halo Legendary mode is. Honestly, it feels to egoistical to have a single thread focus solely on what I'm currently playing. But, I see your point. Makes me wonder why there isn't just a general game thread, I guess I should make that too. It is better to solve a problem then let it continue and all the non-sense, you know.

On the subject of saving room, I would like to point out there are already three Zelda discussion topics going on on the first page and I'm sure there are more lurking further pages back. You might want to get on that too.



Reply to this topic



  


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users