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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 09:42 PM

Would you like another TF "build it figure"?

I ask this question because last week. I noticed Marvel was still doing the "build it figure" parts inside other toy packages thing.

yes,I don't see the harm in it,as it's free & included inside another TF toy I buy.

Transmute was a bit of a dissapointment & rather a obsecure/un-popular/lack-luster choice.

I'd prefer the "build it figure" transform into a alt mode. even if it's a extremly simplistic transformation challenge.
I'd like the build it figure to be at least voyager sized,maybe bigger. instead of including the "build it figure" in 6 different TF toy packages,how about including the parts in 10 different TF toys packages.

I prefer another TF "Build it figure" that's a bit more popular & less obsecure. like as follows: G-1 Arcee,G-1 Ravage,Alpha Trion,G-1 Galvatron,G-1 Grimlock

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 09:52 PM

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I'd like the build it figure to be at least voyager sized,maybe bigger. instead of including the "build it figure" in 6 different TF toy packages,how about including the parts in 10 different TF toys packages.

While I like the idea, it would be especially difficult to implement for a toy that has to transform. Also, voyagers are quite a bit larger than a deluxe, so a voyager-sized toy would be a lot of extra plastic (and expense). Remember, even split among ten toys, a $20 toy is adding roughly $2 to the cost of every other toy, for an accessory that will be useless to the vast majority of toy buyers who won't buy nearly enough toys to complete the set.

This also works directly against the current case-assignment model in which not all toys are shipped in even amounts. You are literally guaranteeing wasted parts if there are more arms out there than legs.

And, all that's for a voyager toy that will likely be significantly compromised by the need to be splittable into 10 roughly-equal parts.

*edit* But, to be clear, I'd love the idea if it could actually be done at negligible extra cost to the base toy, and be meaningfully completeable, and produce a decent (or at least interesting) toy in the end. I'd imagine that those standards are impossible to meet, but conceptually it would be great fun, I think.

*edit*edit* A thought -- Micromaster combiners would ship well this way. That way, you're not getting a completely useless part even if you never get the set, but the set gives you something cool, too. Perhaps the combiner kibble could be fashioned to also be weapons for the main toys, so that the kibble bits could be their own pack-in component.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

Build-a-figures are only fun if I were going to buy all the necessary toys anyway, or maybe all but one. I'm not a completist in any toy line anymore, so BAFs just mean I end up with a bunch of parts. I'd rather they just, you know, sell the toy individually and let me buy it or not.

I can still sort of understand the desire, though -- kind of like how I miss Robot Points, even though you just ended up paying more than the toy is is worth anyway.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:15 PM

The figures we got the parts in would either have to be 100% brand new or different enough from previous releases to justify making the purchase.

What ruined the Beast Wars anniversary packs for me was the fact that I already had the vintage releases of a few of the figures in the assortment.

Thus, I was faced with the prospect of either not getting everyone and so not getting all of the parts for Transmutate or getting all the parts for Transmutate but having duplicate figures.
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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:20 PM

I just can't see it working for Transformers.


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:23 PM

I think it would be pretty neat. I also think it could be done with a character that a lot of people want but wouldn't be practical to try to sell on its own.

I know the Quintessons are pretty much shunted out of the mythos these days, but that kind of non transforming character would be an ideal candidate for a build a figure. A face and body slice in 5 different Generations figures that you'd build into a Quintesson would be quite cool. Imagine if Kup, Hot Rod, Cyclonus, Scourge and Wreck-Gar all came with a part. That would be thematic and figures that everyone would want. And there's really not a whole lot of engineering that needs to go into making 5 faces and a back that snaps onto identical backs with other faces.

On the other hand you could go the "Build and Action Master" route and take any character and design them like you would any modern action figure but it would be a posable, non transforming representation with good articulation, good paint and good detail.


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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:36 PM

I want Fall of Cybertron Build A Figures. You buy a FoC figure and get a custom part that can be used to make one of the multiplayer body types. Each of the classes- scientist, scout, soldier and leader could be broken into 4 parts that you could mix and match. The transformations would have to be semi-compatible, but the accessories (wings, wheels, guns, spoilers, heads, etc.) could all be on 5 mm pegs and c-clips so you could spread them out.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:17 AM

Do it like they are the gum with Fort Max. Release each limb as a base for the Cyberverse dudes and then the combined mode is a 3ft tall Fort Max....

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:43 AM

id take a build-a-figure PRIME Unicron plzkthx

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:17 AM

QUOTE(God Fire Convoy @ Apr 10 2012, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
id take a build-a-figure PRIME Unicron plzkthx


Prime Unicron is a Cyberverse playset just waiting to happen so I doubt it.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:25 AM

QUOTE(Gryllid @ Apr 9 2012, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Build-a-figures are only fun if I were going to buy all the necessary toys anyway, or maybe all but one. I'm not a completist in any toy line anymore, so BAFs just mean I end up with a bunch of parts. I'd rather they just, you know, sell the toy individually and let me buy it or not.

I can still sort of understand the desire, though -- kind of like how I miss Robot Points, even though you just ended up paying more than the toy is is worth anyway.

This basically how I feel too.

I only bought 3 of the 10th ann BW figures because that's all I needed so I never got a whole Transmutate. And I don't buy figures that I don't need or want, so a BAF wouldn't really be an inducement for me to buy any more figures.

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Apr 9 2012, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it would be pretty neat. I also think it could be done with a character that a lot of people want but wouldn't be practical to try to sell on its own.

I know the Quintessons are pretty much shunted out of the mythos these days, but that kind of non transforming character would be an ideal candidate for a build a figure. A face and body slice in 5 different Generations figures that you'd build into a Quintesson would be quite cool. Imagine if Kup, Hot Rod, Cyclonus, Scourge and Wreck-Gar all came with a part. That would be thematic and figures that everyone would want. And there's really not a whole lot of engineering that needs to go into making 5 faces and a back that snaps onto identical backs with other faces.

This though, would be a good idea! I've always thought that Death's Head would have been a good BAF too.



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Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:23 AM

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I've always thought that Death's Head would have been a good BAF too.


Well, we're getting a non-BAF Death's Head from the Marvel toy line next year.

Good enough, yes?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:34 AM

Aren't they making a BaF Bruticus?

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 12:22 PM

I could be interested in build-a-figure. I didn't get Transmutate because 1) don't really like Transmutate and 2) didn't buy any of that series of BW figures. But overall I approve of the idea.

I did end up with some odds and ends of BAF that I'd never complete. For example I think I got a Pitt arm or leg when I bought Madman from some "Legendary Heroes" type series. Ended up finding someone who wanted it, I just wanted to see it go to a good home instead of throwing it out.

I don't approve of BAF if it noticeably raises the cost of the figure.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

yeah I'd rather they gave us a set of figures that were completely independent... but then have mail away "gestalt parts" that you'd use these things called robot points for...

you'd cut them off the back of the cards and mail them in if you got the whole set and hasbro would ship you out..oh i don't know:

A head, Set of Shoulder extensions, chest plate, fists and forearms, feet and thighs.. oh and a real big gun
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE(Smitty @ Apr 10 2012, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't they making a BaF Bruticus?


If by BaF you mean "five separate Deluxes that all peg together into one giant figure", then yes. He's not a random body part packaged with a completely unrelated figure, a la Transmutate, the Marvel Legends BaFs or the Star Wars Create-A-Droid series.

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Posted 11 April 2012 - 01:32 PM

This would probably work more better... If you had that a pack in weapon, that could mix and match with other weapons. Sort of like Energon. But done a bit slightly better than that.

I mean the weapons were just designed to peg to each other. Actually combinable weapons. To make something that actually looks like a larger weapons would be cool.


As for a buld a figure. It'd have to be designed to be sturdier than a normal tf. Which I figure would make transformation more taxing and such.


It would be neat if we got a customizable tf though. Swappable heads and weapons. To make different characters.
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:18 PM

QUOTE(Servitor 2152 @ Apr 10 2012, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Smitty @ Apr 10 2012, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't they making a BaF Bruticus?


If by BaF you mean "five separate Deluxes that all peg together into one giant figure", then yes. He's not a random body part packaged with a completely unrelated figure, a la Transmutate, the Marvel Legends BaFs or the Star Wars Create-A-Droid series.

I know all that. My point is BaFs would not work well with Transformers and why what we have so may price points do we need BaFs to get bigger bots?

I'm not a fan of voting on peoples posts. it just seems very passive aggressive to click 'down vote' and not add anything to the thread. and up votes are exactly the same. to my mind the whole point of a forum is discussion and being able to just easily agree or disagree takes the discussion out of the equation.


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:34 PM

QUOTE(Gryllid @ Apr 9 2012, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Build-a-figures are only fun if I were going to buy all the necessary toys anyway, or maybe all but one. I'm not a completist in any toy line anymore, so BAFs just mean I end up with a bunch of parts. I'd rather they just, you know, sell the toy individually and let me buy it or not.

I can still sort of understand the desire, though -- kind of like how I miss Robot Points, even though you just ended up paying more than the toy is is worth anyway.


Totally agreed... although if they ever did it again I probably ~would~ just go for it, but I'm quite easy to entice with ~any~ plastic robots... probably why I have like 6 different movie-mold 'Bees.

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