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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:40 PM

Show premieres (IIRC) 7 PM Eastern Time.

Discussion of the show (once it airs) and any additions and edits made can be made here.

Here is the link to the TV show's website.

http://www.tv-aichi.co.jp/TF-prime/

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:57 PM

As for streaming options, one could download jptv, if I could find a link to it. Animated had a simulcast with TV Tokyo, so you can probably watch it on that channel.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:02 PM

Aaand the intro's a clip show. Saw that coming. Man, but the footage used does not fit this song.

Oh Lord, Cliffjumper sings about how great he is. Hah. "Ore wa Cliffjumpah~"

Hah! Instead of "You want the horns? You got 'em." it's "ARMS UP!" In fact, every Autobot says that when they deploy their weapons. That and "TRANSFORM!" of course.

Well that's clever time editing. They cut out the stuff between Starscream's strike and Cliffjumper falling. There's lots of little edits, but they're really seamless.

Starscream's voice is flamboyant as HELL. At the very least, it definitely leaves an impression.

And the commercial bumper's a CGI turnaround of Optimus and Arcee in vehicle and robot mode with the G1 theme as a jingle.

The Vehicons have slightly more lines, including 'Transform!'

Bumblebee's the same as he ever was.

Arcee's catchphrase seems to be 'saiyaku', whatever that means.

The bit with the idol group's as akward as I thought it would be. It's slightly less annoying than the Otobotto family though.

And the arms Microns are very low budget CGI. It's O.P, B2, and R.A. They're floating in weapon mode the whole time. They try transforming and...to be continued? I'm getting a bit of a Zako Zako hour vibe from it.

And instead of a 'next time' bit, they put clips of the next episode into the credits.

And that's it!

Edited by Sprocket, 07 April 2012 - 01:09 AM.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:28 PM

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Arcee's catchphrase seems to be 'saiyaku', whatever that means.


"You're the worst!" or "the worst!"

or something like that. It's got a literal meaning of disaster or bad things happening, but most of the time when teenage girls use it, it's because they're pissed off.

Edited by Hora Hora, 06 April 2012 - 06:31 PM.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:40 PM

What's this "idol group" thing? I think I missed any past info about that.


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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Apr 7 2012, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's this "idol group" thing? I think I missed any past info about that.


Tokyo Girls' Style, a group of idols, are doing a little segment and stuff.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:44 PM

It was reported by Swift in the Cybertron Satellite thread earlier today.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:25 PM

They use some really brief bits from the intro.



And here's the ending.




The idol group skit is a lot briefer than the Otobotto family's was, due to making room for the Arms Micron theater. So it's not...quite as bad, I guess?

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:47 PM

The ending isn't that bad.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:58 PM

Disappointing compared to the awesomeness that was Animated's Japanese intro.
Not that I was expecting burning justice and mysterious cloaked figures, but I feel like there's a dissonance between the audio and the imagery.
Appropriate for a dub, I guess.

Saa, All I Can Do! And All You Can Do! HABATAKE Transform!

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:02 PM

That was a really nice mellow intro. I like it.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:30 PM

Doesn't really fit the source material though. At all.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE(Sprocket @ Apr 7 2012, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Doesn't really fit the source material though. At all.


I don't really care about that, as long as it sounds nice.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:07 PM

Megatron in the intro was good. I want to see these micron clips.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:41 PM

That's actually pretty groovy. I like the end titles too.

Also, what Darkstream said.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:11 PM

As mentioned, there were some little additions here and there.
Compared to Animated, it's much more loyal to the source material.

It seemed like Cliffjumper's fight was edited down a little bit. I had heard that series might be edited for violence.
I haven't compared the timing to the original yet.

The voices in general are very fitting, though. I'd describe SS as flamboyant, but not much more so than the original.
He seems to be based after the JP G1 Starscream voice (at least, that was the general reaction to it).

Arcee's "saiaku!" is kind of like "Oh, GREAT!"

They call "Transform" when they TF, and "Arms Up" when deploying weapons.
It didn't seem to replace other lines, though. Cliffjumper did have his little line about his horns.

The idol segment has a bunch of girls who know nothing about TF being educated on them by Vector Sigma.
Although I suppose it was low budget, I thought the Micron segment was pretty funny (and thankfully short enough
that it doesn't shave airtime down.) They all try to transform by wiggling around... and it ends before they manage to.

Pretty much fits what I had heard thus far about the dubbing. I'll probably enjoy watching the series play out in Japanese.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:05 AM

Ha. "Party people."

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 12:57 AM

That's K-Pop for ya!
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 01:14 AM

Someone better record the idol segments!

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 01:24 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Apr 6 2012, 11:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Arcee's catchphrase seems to be 'saiyaku', whatever that means.


"You're the worst!" or "the worst!"

or something like that. It's got a literal meaning of disaster or bad things happening, but most of the time when teenage girls use it, it's because they're pissed off.

You mean like Yoshi from Digimon Savers/Data Squad?

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.




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