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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 tec

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:28 AM

I saw this today I have never picked up the book/read the inside flap

But out of shear curiosity working at the theater I saw it

They pack quite a bit in it at 2 hours and 30 min but theres still quite a bit I dont know
Heck cant even remember any of there names now

Anyone wanna fill me in get me up to speed?

And what are your thoughts about the movie

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:20 AM

Mediocre teen novels become plot-crammed movie with too many throwaway characters and plotlines with a mary-sue as the main character.

At least it doesn't encourage stalkery behaviour like Twilight did.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:29 AM

My understanding so far, with only the back of the book to go off of, is this is basically 'the running man' with Teenagers
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:30 AM

My wife wants to see it. I've not read the books and the movie doesn't appeal to me through trailers. I may give in and go see it with her anyway if she can't find a friend who wants to go, though.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:31 AM

I haven't read the books either, but from what I've heard about it I also thought first of 'The Running Man'.

I've heard it's a fun watch, but I haven't had a chance to see it yet. Maybe next weekend.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:22 AM

I've been meaning to read about them...seems the theatre department is all abuzz with Hunger Games talk.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:34 AM

I just want somebody, anybody to explain to me how this is different from Battle Royale. Cause on the surface, it looks like the same damned thing.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:01 AM

The Running Man is practically real life now with all the reality shows that exist.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:44 AM

Apparently, the reason there was no Hunger Games thread is because no one here really cares.

Also, Hora Hora is right.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:52 AM

QUOTE(Rhinox @ Mar 25 2012, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want somebody, anybody to explain to me how this is different from Battle Royale. Cause on the surface, it looks like the same damned thing.



The author claims to never having heard of the manga, novel, or 2 movies. I can see how, but the similarities are almost uncanny. Despite some of the Twilight comparisons, I will give it a chance. I may read it before seeing the movie. Nothing wrong with a action novel with a female lead in my opinion.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 10:53 AM

seems that way odd though my theater was packed with people

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:30 AM

I saw it last night and loved it. I think I liked it more then Battle Royale if only for the better build up The Hunger Games had.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 12:31 PM

I've read all 3 books before the movie was announced and im waiting to see the movie. it's just that tickets are sold out around here for the weekend.

The books are a good read, gives tons of suspense especially when HIGHLIGHT to view:
Rue get's harpooned. That was a sad moment. Didn't make my cry but for other girls it did.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 12:39 PM

The books are really awesome. It's like a cross between the Running Man and The Long Walk. Even Stephen King couldn't put them down when reading them.

Yes, they are young adult books but the story is really quite good.

I haven't seen the movie, but I DO recommend the books.

Just for the record, there is nothing Twilight about the story OR the writing.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 01:12 PM

When the first trailers started to come out I thought looked bad ass, and I still do. I'm definitely seeing it some time this week. I honestly had no idea it was even a book until like, a month ago. And so what if it resembles other stories? What doesn't these days? Regardless, I think it looks great.

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 01:46 PM

Yeah - don't let Twilight sour you. These books were a good read and while I haven't seen it yet, I'm excited for the movie too. I'd never heard of Battle Royale either so count that as at least one more person besides the author making that claim. The Running Man comparisons are surface at best - there's quite a bit more to the story than the more simplified exploitation-for-entertainment social commentary that The Running Man offered. The Hunger Games is more about overcoming political oppression and tyranny.
 
 
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:37 PM

QUOTE(kristal @ Mar 25 2012, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've read all 3 books before the movie was announced and im waiting to see the movie. it's just that tickets are sold out around here for the weekend.

The books are a good read, gives tons of suspense especially when HIGHLIGHT to view:
Rue get's harpooned. That was a sad moment. Didn't make my cry but for other girls it did.


HIGHLIGHT to view:
If thats true for the book then the movie version will have the same effect because that scene was very well done IMO

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:08 PM

QUOTE(Asquian @ Mar 25 2012, 06:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My wife wants to see it. I've not read the books and the movie doesn't appeal to me through trailers. I may give in and go see it with her anyway if she can't find a friend who wants to go, though.



Well you can easily buy its dvds and all. Have you got any specific solution of it? I can also help you in this regard

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Mar 25 2012, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mediocre teen novels become plot-crammed movie with too many throwaway characters and plotlines with a mary-sue as the main character.

At least it doesn't encourage stalkery behaviour like Twilight did.


No, but it does encorage teenagers to off each other. That in and of itself might make it a good movie.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

QUOTE(Rhinox @ Mar 25 2012, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want somebody, anybody to explain to me how this is different from Battle Royale. Cause on the surface, it looks like the same damned thing.


Here ya go

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The answer is, they're both influenced by the same stuff.



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