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@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...


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#21 Somebody

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:48 AM

There's a thought that's been nagging at me, and as Cybertron becomes more and more Transformer-hostile and the lack of sanitation/etc Wheeljack brings up this issue also mounts up it just becomes clearer - what is actually KEEPING anyone here beyond sheer stubborn masochism?

The Autobots were able to fly off to Earth to pick up "King Bee", Prowl & co, and most of the neutrals/"Nails" apparently have functioning ships, after all. Why don't the former fly off to Gorlam Prime or somewhere, and why don't the latter either follow or head back to where they came from?

If there was a vaguely functional infrastructure and - more importantly - a planet that might not kill them all any second (what's even keeping the Iacon area "safe"?) I could understand why they'd choose to stay, or if they all got teleported there without a ship like the Decepticons and had no choice... Well, they'd have to deal. But this seems like one giant pissing contest.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

If I recall, the Nails returned in response to a signal that Cybertron sent out. They've been gone so long, all they want is their home back. Sure they have to acclimate to a new world with hostile environments. It would be no different if they collectively relocated to a new world that could sustain them all. If they went back to a previous colony, the balance of power would tip toward whomever ran the colony before they left. If they all separated again, there's no hope of rebuilding their society proper. They are effectively pushing out into the wild, untamed west. They must adapt to survive as a species and as a society.
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#23 Xaaron

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 04:38 PM

@Somebody:

Another factor I assume is in play (although it hasn't been mentioned yet) is that a renewed Cybertron means a renewed natural source of energon. For the last 500 years (even longer for the NAILs), Cybertronians have been living off of artificial and impure energon derivatives found or made on other worlds. A pure, regenerating source of energon literally growing on trees (or the equivalent), must be a big selling point for staying on Cybertron these days.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:31 AM


Don't underestimate sentiment either.

This is the homeworld. No matter how long they've been away it's still home.


-ZacWilliam, I assume their are "NAILs" without an emotional connection to Cybertron but most of those probably would have just stayed in their distant colonies. The ones that returned are largely those that really care I think. Though I'd LOVE to see more development given to the NAILs to flesh that out.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:46 AM

Yeah, everyone in the comic is people who came to Cybertron specifically because they wanted to live there instead of wherever they already were.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:01 PM

"Getting called a crony by Starscream is like...it's like a simile I'd use to describe a less obviously ironic thing."

Possibly the best line I've read in a Transformers story.
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Posted 07 April 2012 - 01:34 PM

You know what's interesting... Peace through tyranny seems to be Stalinism...

While Starscream entering the coalition government seems to be liberal socialism.

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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:53 AM

While this comic is still miles better of what Costa ever did, I am liking it less and less. Maybe because MTMTE is so much more fun to read, I dunno...

Prowl is becoming more and more off from his Furman/Roche portrayal. He is giving in to his emotions a lot of times, and straight-out considers the Cons 'animals'. Not to mention he is a pathetic liar... I had to laugh, so he expects people to believe that Ratbat got so depressed, he chopped his wing and legs off and nailed himself to a wall? icon-fire.gif Seriously? Not to mention that the super-smart guy suddenly lost ALL forms of tact, and constantly keeps calling the neutrals 'NAILS' even though he knows well he only angers them that way. I like my Prowl more calculating and smart. This guy is a sarcastic police detective, not a high-ranking string-pulling magnificient bastard.

Arcee is still a psycho, which is... odd, considering (s)he only had a grudge against Jhiaxus and was pretty normal in HoD.

Silverbolt and the Aerialbots suddenly pull a turn straight out of Marvel G1, stealing Grimlock's act (seriously, where ARE the dinobots?) and marching off angrily. Barrel-Roll had "hi-then-die" written on him from the get-go, anyway.

I did enjoy the parts with Wheeljack, though.

My problem with the new comics is, I like to read about Decepticons as much as Autobots, and they are pretty much all in RID (unless you count Tailgate and Cyclonus). And I don't like how this writer handles them.

Edited by BB Shockwave, 13 April 2012 - 05:00 AM.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:18 PM

Ugh, I can't seem to find this issue anywhere despite it coming out almost three weeks ago. A retailer told me that it hasn't come out here in Canada yet, but that just sounds odd. =/



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