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@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that timeline after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same timeline.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o


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#161 Rust

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Mar 27 2012, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're describing the most basic premise. Other than that and some shared names, there's almost nothing in common between the two.


Autobots and Decepticons fight over powerful energy source with Humans caught in the Crossfire. (Movie One)
Autobots and Decepticons fight over production of life sustaining fuel with Humans caught in the Crossfire. A organization is formed specifically to combat Transformers (RAAT anyone?) (Movie Two)
The Ultimate Doom on the big screen (Movie Three)

You can not like the live action movies, that's fine. But the Live Action movies had a lot in common with G1 - heck, we even got multitudes of characters who just mainly stood around in the background with one or two lines. (Jolt is the Skids of the Movieverse).

I especially love how people scream racism at the twins while turning a blind eye to Jazz and Blaster's portrayal in the G1 Cartoon. It's not like racial stereotypes are anything new in the franchise.


As for IDW showing respect to Transformers...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Tell me another one! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:42 PM

And yet people still gush over Furman who keeps writing the same basic stories over and over and over agan.....

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Mar 27 2012, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're describing the most basic premise. Other than that and some shared names, there's almost nothing in common between the two.

Using that as your basis for your argument, most of the TF fictions after G1 had 'no relation what-so-ever' to the original story line.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:57 PM

Transformers. Nightmare on Elm Street. Friday the 13th...all box office hits. Whether the internet liked them or not, the public sure showed up for them. Turtles are in good company.

Or do you not want the Turtles to be relevant again?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 27 2012, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Transformers. Nightmare on Elm Street. Friday the 13th...all box office hits. Whether the internet liked them or not, the public sure showed up for them. Turtles are in good company.

That's hilarious, some people are telling me Bay should stay away from Turtles because his production company's remakes of Texas Chainsaw and Nightmare were duds.

Also, that his Transformers movies were actually Bionicle movies with the name changed.
Evidently they're against Bay "raping" Transformers and Turtles, but they're fine with assuming Bay "raped" Bionicle's entire backstory. icon-fire.gif

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:50 PM

I forgot about Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

I mean, his Freddy wasn't what *I* wanted out of a modern day Freddy, but I was cruising on the wikipedia and it did offensively well. Friday the 13th dropped off hard the weeks after it opened, but it still broke its share of records. Neither were bombs. And neither are meant to reach all audiences like Transformers or Turtles are.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:23 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ Mar 27 2012, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for IDW showing respect to Transformers...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Tell me another one! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Actually, I was referring to their TMNT comics. Yeah, they totally raped the TransFormers. They're the reason I don't even collect TransFormer comics anymore. But no, the TMNT comics are actually pretty good. That's what I was referring to. Not the TF comics...hell no not the TF comics.

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 27 2012, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Transformers. Nightmare on Elm Street. Friday the 13th...all box office hits. Whether the internet liked them or not, the public sure showed up for them. Turtles are in good company.

Or do you not want the Turtles to be relevant again?

I never watched Friday the 13th. But I already stated my opinion of what Bay did to Transformers.?

And Nightmare on Elm Street, I did not realise that was a Bay production, but that explains some things. I'll admit that I didn't mind it too terribly much, but neither did it really make me clammor for more. It was okay at best. It had a few decent ideas (mostly the micro dreams while you're still awake). Mostly I thought it was just bland though.

I don't know about box office numbers, but I don't exactly see the studios rallying to make a sequel. I certainly haven't heard anything overwhelmingly good about it either.?

Bottom line though, they may have made a lot of money, or not. I don't have those figures. But Transformers, too relient on juvenile toilet humor and hard to watch embarresing parent moments. Nightmare on ElmStreet, bland. The Rock, okay until you realise just how little research Bay must've done on V.X. gas among other factual errors that make the explainations characters give painful to watch. Armageddon...can not...can not take this one seriously...at all...just...no!

So...sorry. I don't see TMNT as being in good company...at..all. And with a new Nickolodeon cartoon and toyline comming up with a currently ongoing comic series...at what point did you see the turtles not be relevent?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:29 PM

Spoiler: Michael Bay produced the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, and that did well enough to warrant sequels.


Besides, if anything shouldn't have had sequels, it was the first TMNT movie. Vanilla Ice, Kevin Nash, abandonned train station and time travel.
I rest my case.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:29 PM

I'm gonna just say it here.

Everyone is giving Bay FAR too much credit for what's going to happen in this movie. Especially when he's not even directing it and people won't shut the hell up about the damn explosions already.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE(Caldwin @ Mar 27 2012, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So...sorry. I don't see TMNT as being in good company...at..all. And with a new Nickolodeon cartoon and toyline comming up with a currently ongoing comic series...at what point did you see the turtles not be relevent?


The point where only nerds and kids care about them.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:32 PM

I effing love TMNT and it was a staple of my childhood play pattern once it came along. Then I found the original comics and I never stopped loving them.
Now if this movie is great then I'll love it and gush about it. If it sucks I'll gripe a bit and move the hell on. This franchise has been milked so damn much that, like Transformers, there is so much more to it than the most recent movie and I can go enjoy that stuff like the new cartoon and multiple toy lines coming up.

So I give all the super-bitching a big, giant YAAAAAAWN. Call me when it's entertaining.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Mar 28 2012, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I effing love TMNT and it was a staple of my childhood play pattern once it came along. Then I found the original comics and I never stopped loving them.
Now if this movie is great then I'll love it and gush about it. If it sucks I'll gripe a bit and move the hell on. This franchise has been milked so damn much that, like Transformers, there is so much more to it than themost recent movie and I can go enjoy that stuff like the new cartoon and multiple toy lines coming up.

So I give all the super-bitching a big, giant YAAAAAAWN. Call me when it's entertaining.

I would say fair enough except for the fact that in the case of Transformers at least, the movie almost completely took over every aspect of TF.

Toys, a good 3/4 of what I see at TRU and every toy aisle of every store is Dark of the Moon. Generations and Prime get pushed into maybe two or three pegs. Hell, even the designs of Prime seem heavily modeled after Bays designs.

Comics, I don't really read those any more, but even those seem to have an inordinate amount of Dark of the Moon tie-in's given that the movie is nearly a year old.

I wouldn't be so worried about this movie, except that I don't want what happened to Transformers to happen to the turtles. ?I don't want 3/4 of everything I see modeled after some crap movie for years on end, meanwhile anything based on the good aspects of the franchise (Nick series, comic book) gets stuck on two little pegs.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE(Caldwin @ Mar 28 2012, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would say fair enough except for the fact that in the case of Transformers at least, the movie almost completely took over every aspect of TF.

Past, present and future?

Lemme tell ya, I am NOT happy with the current state of mainstream comics. I've cut them out of my life and I am more than happy with the old stories. They will last me a lifetime.
If this movie really changes the state of TMNT then so be it but honestly TFs are an entirely different kind of property at this point. If the new movie is big enough to make that kind of lasting change on the property than HOT DAMN we should all be happy for that kind of exposure. While it would lead to movie style stuff (which NO ONE knows if it will be good or bad right now) it would also lead to more of the classic stuff getting more exposure as well.

So even if you're right I fail to see how it would be a bad thing.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:02 AM

So, how many turtle toys are on shelves now? Or have been in the past three to four years?

Right now, I can talk with normal, everyday people about transformers. Their favorite characters, favorite scenes, favorite jokes... Like Transformers, the majority of everyone thinks turtles died 20 years ago. I would like to be able to have Turtle Talks with random people like I can do transformers now. I would like to meet people who think they're Turtles' number 1 fan even though they've only seen the new movie and remember the old cartoon.

That's what I mean by relevant.

And Caldwin, I know you're done with transformers comics, but you should check out their two new books. If you've ever liked transformers comics before, it might be worth your time.



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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:15 AM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 28 2012, 01:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, how many turtle toys are on shelves now? Or have been in the past three to four years?

Right now, I can talk with normal, everyday people about transformers. Their favorite characters, favorite scenes, favorite jokes... Like Transformers, the majority of everyone thinks turtles died 20 years ago. I would like to be able to have Turtle Talks with random people like I can do transformers now. I would like to meet people who think they're Turtles' number 1 fan even though they've only seen the new movie and remember the old cartoon.

That's what I mean by relevant.

And Caldwin, I know you're done with transformers comics, but you should check out their two new books. If you've ever liked transformers comics before, it might be worth your time.

Who is this directed at? I'm so confused right now because I'm pretty sure we agree right now but I'm not sure if you were talking to me...


But yeah, if this film is successful, no matter how the fans feel, it can only be good for the franchise. If it fails then it fails. There will be another try at something Turtles related again in a few more years.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:19 AM

You are correct! We're on the same page, Cheets. I just finished my post later than I expected. For second, I was distracted by like a million things.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE(Caldwin @ Mar 23 2012, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(LBD @ Mar 22 2012, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And unbelievably, Peter Laird is somewhat on board with this (gotta love how TMZ fabricated a quote from pieces of what Laird actually said).

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Well, honestly, Laird doesn't pull as much weight with me as much as if Eastman had said it. And I would be quite willing to take a chill pill. I'd would take my usual "wait and see" stance that I take almost any time I start hearing doom and gloom about a movie I'd been wanting to see. I would except for Bay's track record has cost him any of my faith he might have otherwise had at this point. It's less of "oh I see one bad quote and I'm ready to write it off" as much as, in my mind at least, "oh, Uwe Boll got hold of my favorite franchise and look what he just said." Yes...I just compared Bay to Boll


The only difference between them is their allowed budgets. Both make bombastic action-flicks with juvenile humour and false, forced pathos - it's just Boll can only hire abysmal actors and produce crappy special effects.

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 28 2012, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, how many turtle toys are on shelves now? Or have been in the past three to four years?


Even last year I could still find Paleo Patrol and other new TMNT toys in stores. The last show is still fresh in people's memories, and a new show is coming this year, so even without a huge new movie, Turtles would have lived on. It is hardly a case of Thundercats, where apart from a few comics, nothing happened to the franchise since the eighties.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 01:53 AM

Most people don't wonder into toy aisles, and most people don't watch childrens cartoons.

Most people, however, really loved the turtles when they were kids, and haven't thought much about them since.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 03:49 AM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Mar 27 2012, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He left out the part where the camera zooms in super close and shakes uncontrollably so you can't tell what the hug is happening.


Unless it's in 3D; that made the third Transformers movie surprisingly easier to follow visually, since they had to account for how that would work...

QUOTE(Detour @ Mar 28 2012, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...abandonned train station...


...what was wrong with that? I liked it...

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 09:06 AM

Any exposure is not good exposure. Why should any fan of TMNT care if the majority of the public is actively aware of what is currently happening with the Turtles franchise?

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