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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#1 Touch My Thighs

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:33 PM

Well!

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When you see this movie, kids will believe one day that these turtles do exist, when we?re done with this movie. These turtles are from an alien race, and they?re going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely loveable.


So yeah, they're not Mutants. Or technically turtles, I guess.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:38 PM

Or technically Ninja's. They'll be some sort of Space Ninjas.

Hello Michael Bay, welcome to MISSING THE POINT.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:39 PM

wow thats big change.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:47 PM

We'll see if they're even teenagers.

I'm not sure I'd call it Michael Bay's Ninja Turtles movie any more than Transformers are Stephen Spielberg's Transformers movies.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:55 PM

QUOTE(Caldwin @ Jun 5 2010, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Ginrai @ Jun 2 2010, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you guys hear that Michael Bay's production company is now in charge of the new film with Nickelodeon?
Great! Well, that's another child hood memory raped.


QUOTE(Vicious @ Jun 6 2010, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, Casey Jones will be an awkward High School kid, April the trampy looking bimbo next door, and the Turtles themselves show up halfway into the movie, and joke about Splinter needing viagra.
? ??
Karai will walk around in a bikini and we'll get plenty of ball jokes when they unveil the codpiece they've added to the Shredder's ensemble.


QUOTE(DrSpengler @ Jun 6 2010, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I think the saving grace here may be that it's "Michael Bay's production company" and not "directed by Michael Bay".

Bay co-produced all the Platinum Dunes/New Line horror films and they didn't reek of any of the Bay-isms some are dreading. ?Granted, some of them were lousy due to the directors working on them, but not directly because of anything Bay-himself did.

So just because it's being produced by one of Bay's companies, so long as Bay-himself isn't directing, I'm not too worried yet.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:58 PM

I feel a great disturbance in the Force. As though millions of 90s kids cried out in terror...

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

Thank God he never got his hands on Transformers...

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:09 PM

Next up, Thundercats. Let's screw 'em all over!
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:14 PM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Mar 18 2012, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well!

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When you see this movie, kids will believe one day that these turtles do exist, when we?re done with this movie. These turtles are from an alien race, and they?re going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely loveable.


So yeah, they're not Mutants. Or technically turtles, I guess.


I'm hoping that by "alien" he didn't mean it like "space aliens", but more along the lines of "bizarre outsiders".

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Caldwin @ Mar 19 2012, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Next up, Thundercats. Let's screw 'em all over!





will be domesticated cats that are stuck by lightning that turns them into furries

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:38 PM

I don't trust anything this man says in advance about his films.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:46 PM

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I don't trust anything this man says in advance about his films.

Bingo. He's an admitted liar so we'll see.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE(Goblez @ Mar 18 2012, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Caldwin @ Mar 19 2012, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Next up, Thundercats. Let's screw 'em all over!





will be domesticated cats that are stuck by lightning that turns them into furries

So TMNT uses the Thundercats backstory, and Thundercats uses the TMNT backstory?

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:56 PM

QUOTE(Adam @ Mar 19 2012, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

QUOTE(Goblez @ Mar 18 2012, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Caldwin @ Mar 19 2012, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Next up, Thundercats. Let's screw 'em all over!





will be domesticated cats that are stuck by lightning that turns them into furries

So TMNT uses the Thundercats backstory, and Thundercats uses the TMNT backstory?





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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:33 PM

Why is this idiot still allowed to make movies? If you don't want to make a TMNT movie, Bay, then DON'T MAKE A TMNT MOVIE! You don't have to jive all over the property. He's worse than Uwe Boll, because at least that guy never got his dirty dumbass mitts on A-list properties.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Mar 18 2012, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well!

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When you see this movie, kids will believe one day that these turtles do exist, when we?re done with this movie. These turtles are from an alien race, and they?re going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely loveable.


So yeah, they're not Mutants. Or technically turtles, I guess.


I'm hoping that by "alien" he didn't mean it like "space aliens", but more along the lines of "bizarre outsiders".

Or he could have been referring to cause of their mutation as being alien in origin.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:58 PM

^I'm with those two.


Alien doesn't always mean from outer space, just different than human...or what we're used to.


The man can't be that stupid.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:01 PM

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Why is this idiot still allowed to make movies? ...
Don't you know? He's awesome?Just ask him.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:02 PM

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The man can't be that stupid.
Have you seen his movies?

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Mar 19 2012, 12:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why is this idiot still allowed to make movies? If you don't want to make a TMNT movie, Bay, then DON'T MAKE A TMNT MOVIE! You don't have to jive all over the property. He's worse than Uwe Boll, because at least that guy never got his dirty dumbass mitts on A-list properties.


Because the movies he makes do very well.
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