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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

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@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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#1 MrBlud

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:59 PM

G.I. Joe Renegades: Season One, Vol. 1

Now I like the show don't get me wrong but the "purchasing fanbase" for THAT is infinitely smaller then the one for FiM. Which, let's not forget, just got a jivety "sampler" DVD with random episodes instead of something like this.

What the hell?

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:04 AM

The recent TF:Prime Season 1 on Blu-Ray kind of made me scratch my head, as well. Shout! Factory must be aware by now via customer feedback and activity on their forums that FiM could easily sell similar Blu-Ray season sets.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:05 AM

I don't really fault the for the Transformers since it's kinda huge right now with the movies and such.

I know Prime will sell more then FiM but Renegades (even for how good it legitimately was) will not do better then an FiM set would.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:10 AM

Oh, I'm sure Prime will sell better than Renegades, and probably better than FiM would too, ultimately. I just figured Blu-Ray isn't something they'd see fit to bother with for any children's programming at all, since I suppose it's more expensive to produce than a DVD. But after seeing that, I have to conclude that they're perfectly capable of producing a Blu-Ray season set if they want to; the mystery is why they're ignoring such strong calls from their own community to produce a Season 1 Blu-Ray (and DVD) set of FiM. It may not sell as much as Prime, but it'll definitely sell. Hell, I'd buy two (Blu-Ray, anyway; if it were only DVD I'd buy 1).

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 10 March 2012 - 12:13 AM.


#5 Matenshi

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:21 AM

Hasbro still seems to be ignoring the success and potential of the show in general, putting about as little effort into things as they did with the franchise prior to FiM. I can understand not expecting any more out of it than the previous series in the beginning, but it's kind of ridiculous at this point.

Edited by Matenshi, 10 March 2012 - 12:23 AM.


#6 Sobana

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:33 AM

Maybe they are scared to move away from what the show was originally intended for, little girls.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:45 AM

But this exists

Not to belittle G1 MLP (I even had a Wind Whistler as a youngin') but THAT gets a season set and FiM doesn't? That doesn't make sense.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:52 AM

That's nostalgia at work. Girl's TV shows almost never seem to get very good home video releases until quite a while after they air. If I were a girl, I'd be insulted at how decidedly not seriously these companies take girls (and presumably their parents) as potential customers. I suppose they assume it's mostly little boys that parents want to shut up for half-an-hour by sitting them in front of a TV, and that the parents of little girls won't spend too much time shopping in the DVD/BD section for their kid.

It took the Powerpuff Girls ages to get a complete series set too, but that finally came after a number of random episode collection DVDs. FiM will probably be released properly eventually, and I'd like to think it'll be sooner rather than later, but who can say for sure.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 10 March 2012 - 12:55 AM.


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Posted 10 March 2012 - 01:17 AM

QUOTE(Sobana @ Mar 9 2012, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe they are scared to move away from what the show was originally intended for, little girls.

I'm not sure whether this comment or the fact there's a valid reason for such a comment is worse. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 01:48 AM

QUOTE(Matenshi @ Mar 10 2012, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sobana @ Mar 9 2012, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe they are scared to move away from what the show was originally intended for, little girls.

I'm not sure whether this comment or the fact there's a valid reason for such a comment is worse. icon-screamer.gif

What? Little girls? lol And I'm sorry *huggles*

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 02:08 AM

QUOTE(Sobana @ Mar 9 2012, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Matenshi @ Mar 10 2012, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Sobana @ Mar 9 2012, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe they are scared to move away from what the show was originally intended for, little girls.

I'm not sure whether this comment or the fact there's a valid reason for such a comment is worse. icon-screamer.gif

What? Little girls? lol And I'm sorry *huggles*

That a show isn't worth a proper release just because it's "for girls", I mean.

There's a huge problem of neglect in general for "girl things", from shows to video games to toys. The quality tends to be crap, and the few things that aren't crap still usually get written off as being so with no basis.

Edited by Matenshi, 10 March 2012 - 02:09 AM.


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Posted 11 March 2012 - 08:14 PM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Mar 10 2012, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But this exists

Not to belittle G1 MLP (I even had a Wind Whistler as a youngin') but THAT gets a season set and FiM doesn't? That doesn't make sense.

To the above:
FiM wasn't released in TWO-THOUSAND FOUR! By Rhino, who isn't Shout!. Yeah, I can see how that dosen't make sense.

To all the other doomsayers:
Shout! knows Transformers and G.I.Joe have established sales and have prior sales data.

Shout! dosen't prior sales data for MLP (which is surprising given all their retro releases) so the "Friendship Express" DVD is their test for the MLP waters. Want season box sets? Tell them by buying the DVD. Its only $10 and you can always upgrade.

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Chill the hug out! Shout!s got this.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 09:05 PM

Actually, my friend just confirmed she seen a box set DVD of FiM of the first 13 episodes for $40.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 09:11 PM

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FiM wasn't released in TWO-THOUSAND FOUR! By Rhino, who isn't Shout!. Yeah, I can see how that dosen't make sense.


Want a more apt example then?

This exists

TWO VOLUMES OF IT!

Then they insinuate FiM doesn't have "enough of a fandom" to support season sets. Because hugging C.O.P.S. does. icon-primal.gif

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:26 AM

I'd buy FiM season sets. I'd also buy Kim Possible season sets. And I'd love to finish my animaniacs and 2k Turtles and Muppet Show sets as well.
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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:40 AM

QUOTE(Corgsopal @ Mar 12 2012, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd buy FiM season sets. I'd also buy Kim Possible season sets. And I'd love to finish my animaniacs and 2k Turtles and Muppet Show sets as well.


This


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It's also worth mentioning in regards to GI JOE Renegades, there is a movie coming out, so they like to have new product on the shelves.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 01:00 AM

Yeah, the GI Joe movie probably helps raise interest in making other GI Joe related stuff.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 01:23 AM

For anyone who has watched Renegades, would you say it's similar to the original ARAH comics (or at least closer than the 80's cartoon)? Does it draw stories/ideas from them, or have a similar tone?

Edited by Matenshi, 12 March 2012 - 01:24 AM.


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Posted 12 March 2012 - 01:41 AM

QUOTE(MrBlud @ Mar 11 2012, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE
FiM wasn't released in TWO-THOUSAND FOUR! By Rhino, who isn't Shout!. Yeah, I can see how that dosen't make sense.


Want a more apt example then?

This exists

TWO VOLUMES OF IT!

Then they insinuate FiM doesn't have "enough of a fandom" to support season sets. Because hugging C.O.P.S. does. icon-primal.gif

"DVD Release Date: February 28, 2006". Only TWO years later than your first example. And SIX years before FiM. So dude:

1) Calm down.

2) Breathe.

As much as i WANT DVDs, its not like FiM is a show that isn't readily available to watch by other means, so this "No DVD RAGE!!" thing comes off more as a "support of the show" thing. Support that CAN be shown, especially to Shout!, by way of the (Admitilly small) DVD already available.

Now, where did Shout! "insinuate" no market for FiM?
"Some people collect other characters like Jazz or Hot Shot and its encouraged, but I stockpile Cybertron Crosswises and that makes ME the strange one."

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:27 AM

QUOTE(Matenshi @ Mar 12 2012, 01:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For anyone who has watched Renegades, would you say it's similar to the original ARAH comics (or at least closer than the 80's cartoon)? Does it draw stories/ideas from them, or have a similar tone?

I have only seen the first couple of episodes (8-10 maybe?), but it's the A-team as a cartoon. A group of four soldiers are accused of a crime they did not commit, and now they are on the run from the military police while trying to absolve themselves from their crimes and expose the Cobra-corporation (the real criminals).

They even have a cool van and a big burly black dude.

The tone is less goofy than the 80's cartoon, it's a bit more serious.

Edited by WorkbenchManiac, 12 March 2012 - 03:28 AM.




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