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That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

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Did you at least buy him dinner?

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So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

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Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:58 AM

VOTING IS LIVE!

The Nominees are in!

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TRANSFORMERS fans around the world were asked, who should be inducted into TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame.




2012 Fan?s choice nominee: ARCEE

?I?m more than just a pretty face."



ARCEE has gone through many changes during her career as an AUTOBOT. From pink and white colors to a sleeker dark blue, ARCEE is one of the few female TRANSFORMERS to stand the test of time. ARCEE has proven herself in battle time and time again - whether it is against UNICRON, SHOKARACT or even JAHIAXUS. ARCEE has lost many partners during the Great War, but her most painful memory is losing her comrade CLIFFJUMPER at the hands of STARSCREAM. Two people she could never do without, however is her human friend JACK DARBY, and her great-nephew, RATTRAP.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: MEGATRON (BEAST WARS)

?You shall vote for me. Yesssssssss."



Using the former leader of the DECEPTICONS as his namesake, MEGATRON orchestrated a plot to steal the Golden Disc, an ancient relic from the time of the AUTOBOT/DECEPTICON war. The disc led MEGATRON and his PREDACON crew to ancient Earth, where they, along with the pursuing MAXIMALS, reformatted into indigenous life-forms, instigating the BEAST WARS. After MEGATRON conquered the alien technology of the Vok, discovered the crashed Autobot Ark, nearly killed OPTIMUS PRIME, and gained control of the DECEPTICON warship NEMESIS, he was eventually defeated and returned to CYBERTRON by OPTIMUS PRIMAL. Once there, MEGATRON created an army of VEHICONS to help him conquer the planet. Unfortunately his beloved rubber ducky was left behind on primitive Earth.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: WHEELJACK

?Statistically speaking I should be the winner."



WHEELJACK has built everything from magnetic inducers to immobilizers to gyro-inhibitors, and even the occasional DINOBOT. While his inventions often indeed do what they are supposed to, they just as often blow up. WHEELJACK is also a member of the WRECKERS, a division of AUTOBOT warriors who don?t play by the rules and often take on missions that others can?t - or won?t. When called upon, WHEELJACK serves as the chief weapons officer and ship?s engineer for the team. His personal ship, the JACKHAMMER, served as his mobile headquarters in the wake of the great shutdown of CYBERTRON. WHEELJACK had made it his personal mission to cruise the stars in search of lost AUTOBOTS, but specifically for WRECKERS who have lost their way.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS

?Everyone knows I?ve got the potential to win!?



RODIMUS is young, na?ve, headstrong, and daring when it comes to his own safety in the field. Willing to push himself to the limit in order to get the job done, RODIMUS is known for conceiving highly dangerous plans to achieve his objectives. Believing that no bot should ever be left behind, RODIMUS will even put his own spark on the line to keep this promise to all who serve under him. Despite his immaturity, RODIMUS is considered an inspirational figure to many of his fellow AUTOBOTS, and some have even come to call him RODIMUS PRIME. Unfortunately, one time RODIMUS got in OPTIMUS PRIME?S way with disastrous results.



2012 Fan?s choice nominee: SKY-BYTE

?Who's the baddest shark around? Who's the smartest shark in town? Sky-Byte, that's me! ?



A proud PREDACON to the core, SKY-BYTE lead his warriors into battle against AUTOBOTS or DECEPTICONS. His desire to be in MEGATRON's good favor drove him - and sometimes he got lost. His skills are legendary amongst the PREDACON ranks. Legendary because SKY-BYTE rarely completed a mission. He has a soft side for poetry - a skill no one else has - or wants. If it weren't for SCOURGE and the DECEPTICONS, SKY-BYTE would never have strayed from the PREDACON cause. In his jealous rage, SKY-BYTE looked to the enemy for acceptance - including KOJI and the AUTOBOTS. Perhaps that is why the AUTOBOTS allowed him to remain free on Earth after the final battle - where he currently roams the ocean attacking illegal fishing vessels.

Edited by Powered Convoy, 09 March 2012 - 10:52 PM.


#2 Powered Convoy

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:59 AM

Excellent choices all around, and I'm glad to see no joke or prank nominations made it in. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:04 AM

Wish it was a picture of Prime Arcee icon-screamer.gif Overall really good choices, love all the characters.

And ill be pulling for Swindle 2013 when hopefully he can get a nod a bit more legitimately.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:04 AM

Arcee's bio is on crack!

(You know, Arcee never actually fought Shokaract. Wrong 3H story!)

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:07 AM

A pretty nice spred. I like how they continued the multi-dimensional bios and how they had some fun with them. If there were one single good thing to come out of the Erector debacle it was his Hasbro bio and these seem to largely continue that playful tone. (Edit: Shokaract glitch aside. Maybe she'll fight him in this years BC story. icon-arcee.gif )


-ZacWilliam, objectively I kinda wish Sky-bite's was a bit better written and didn't feel quite so much like someone threw his wiki entry into a blender. It could really stand a rewrite and smoothing out. But that aside, Cool. icon-hotrod.gif

Edited by ZacWilliam1, 08 March 2012 - 11:08 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:12 AM

The nominees please me. Yesssss.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:14 AM


Interesting that Prime Wheeljack's ship is the Star Hammer and this one's is the Jackhammer. It's a cute name, but I wonder why they didn't match the toy coming out.


-ZacWilliam, also wonders how long till G1 Wheeljack joins the Wreckers to better match this...
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:16 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 8 2012, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


2012 Fan?s choice nominee: SKY-BYTE

?Who's the baddest shark around? Who's the smartest shark in town? Sky-Byte, that's me! ?



A proud PREDACON to the core, SKY-BYTE lead his warriors into battle against AUTOBOTS or DECEPTICONS. His desire to be in MEGATRON's good favor drove him - and sometimes he got lost. His skills are legendary amongst the PREDACON ranks. Legendary because SKY-BYTE rarely completed a mission. He has a soft side for poetry - a skill no one else has - or wants. If it weren't for SCOURGE and the DECEPTICONS, SKY-BYTE would never have strayed from the PREDACON cause. In his jealous rage, SKY-BYTE looked to the enemy for acceptance - including KOJI and the AUTOBOTS. Perhaps that is why the AUTOBOTS allowed him to remain free on Earth after the final battle - where he currently roams the ocean attacking illegal fishing vessels.

Sky-Byte has made it
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:18 AM

Yeah, Arcee's is a mess. JAHIAXUS, Shokaract...love it, but yikes...

And listing BW Megs credentials in a paragraph makes him look like the most impressive transformer of all time. Probably because he is.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Mar 8 2012, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And listing BW Megs credentials in a paragraph makes him look like the most impressive transformer of all time. Probably because he is.

No probably about it, he is.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:25 AM

The only question is, who will get spammed? Megatron or Sky-Byte?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:28 AM


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2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS


Christ, they can't even use his original name for this mostly non-commercial fanwank awards ceremony?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:33 AM

Is this the year of a G1 fans choice? There's been the debate the last two years that characters like Jazz and Grimlock split the G1 vote, while BW fans could rally around the single non-G1 character. Is Sky-Byte going going to split off votes that would normally go to Megatron, or will the sheer awesomeness of Megatron going to dominate regardless?

Full disclosure, despite my personal Rodimus love left over from childhood, I'm planning to vote for either Sky-Byte or Megatron, but this issue is intriguing me.

Edit: Starfield: Great minds and all that, eh.

Edited by GodmasterElvis, 08 March 2012 - 11:35 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE(Buster Darkwings @ Mar 8 2012, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS


Christ, they can't even use his original name for this mostly non-commercial fanwank awards ceremony?

Considering this isn't merely about the G1 character, but also the Energon and Animated iterations, who are both named "Rodimus", not "Hot Rod"...


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:37 AM

I'm liking the way Wheeljack's bio reads and hopes this bodes well for his season 2 appearances in Prime since I can dig the reconciled direction. I know it's effectively casting my ballot into the wind but I'll be pulling for Wheeljack as the great underdog in this race

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:38 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 8 2012, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Arcee's bio is on crack!

(You know, Arcee never actually fought Shokaract. Wrong 3H story!)
Well, she did now!


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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:39 AM

Ok, the bios are making my inner English writing geek twitch something feirce. Here's an attempt at smoothing out Arcee's:

ARCEE has grown a lot over her career as an AUTOBOT. From pink and white to a sleeker dark blue, whatever colors she wears ARCEE is one of the most steadfast, brave and determined Autobots you'll ever meet. She has proven herself in battle time and time again - whether it is against UNICRON, SHOKARACT or even JAHIAXUS. Tragically ARCEE has lost many partners during the Great War, but her most painful memory is losing her comrade CLIFFJUMPER at the hands of STARSCREAM. Two people she could never do without are her human friend JACK DARBY, and her great-nephew, RATTRAP.


-ZacWilliam, can't help himself. Bad flow bothers me.

Edited by ZacWilliam1, 08 March 2012 - 11:40 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Mar 8 2012, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Interesting that Prime Wheeljack's ship is the Star Hammer and this one's is the Jackhammer. It's a cute name, but I wonder why they didn't match the toy coming out.


I'm guessing it's always been intended as the Jackhammer, but we learned about the toy well before it got named on the show.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Mar 9 2012, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Buster Darkwings @ Mar 8 2012, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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2012 Fan?s choice nominee: RODIMUS


Christ, they can't even use his original name for this mostly non-commercial fanwank awards ceremony?

Considering this isn't merely about the G1 character, but also the Energon and Animated iterations, who are both named "Rodimus", not "Hot Rod"...


I rather doubt anyone outside of a handful of fans remembers or cares about those non-entities, much less would consider them for a hall of fame award.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:45 AM

Arcee's bio is a good example of how problematic this merging of continuities can be. They take two characters both named Arcee and make them one person. I consider G1 Arcee and Prime Arcee to be seperate characters.



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