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@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 02:26 PM)

I dunno, maybe the big guy's saving it for a special ocassion.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 01:16 PM)

Your spouse's brother is a PRIEST. If you were supposed to get hit by lightning, it would've happened by now.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Now I want to make devil's food cake with holy water just to see if I get hit by lightning or something.

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 10:10 AM)

I hope not. Ruins the flavour.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 09:09 AM)

Did I put garlic or holy water in it or something?

@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.


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#1 Hardbot

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:21 AM

I mailed my personal check on 2/28. No confirmation by Fun Pub. yet, and no sign of the check having been cashed on my account yet. What are the chances that I won't be locked in for the 2012 exclusive Runamuck? Has anyone gotten any type of confirmation yet?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:13 AM

I'm sure you will be fine. They are hand processing the renewals so it could take a few more days for the check to get processed. Since it only needed to travel from VA to TX, I'm sure its already at the office if you sent it on the 28th.
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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:01 PM

My check cleared, but I haven't received any confirmation from FP. At least I've got the image of the check to prove that I paid.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:08 PM

Mailing out my MO today, didn't want to cut it so close but I had to wait for an extra cheque because my mom needed to borrow money to fix her car and I didn't expect Online renewals to be closed till after the deadline. Really hope I can still get Runamuck D:

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:27 PM

I have to renew too. I take it we are not using credit cards with Fun Pub at the moment?

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:43 PM

Wouldn't recommend it.

Also I think it's a good idea to give them a bit of time, seeing as how they're most likely pretty darn busy right now dealing with all this stuff.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:45 PM

Their store is still being reworked.

They said as long as the had the check or M.O. in the mail by the 9th you should be fine.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:03 PM

Huh. Well. Oops.

Guess I'll just buy Runamuck later.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 11:20 PM

Now, I forget, did FunPub maybe prolong the renewal deadline after the whole credit card security breakdown and switching back to mail-in forms? Because given all that's happened that seems like the absolute least they could do in consideration for their members who still want to stick with them.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:01 AM

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My check cleared, but I haven't received any confirmation from FP. At least I've got the image of the check to prove that I paid.


Someone over at 2005 seemed to have luck confirming their renewal by calling the toll-free number (1-817-448-9863).

http://www.tfw2005.c...tml#post7399991

I contacted Angie (angie@funpubinc.com) and she was able to confirm that my payment was received and processed and that my membership was renewed.

As far as a timeline goes, I mailed my payment on Feb. 25th and sent her an e-mail that day to let them know payment was in the mail and would likely be received Feb. 28th (according to the postal employee). She replied to check back in a week or so since the snail mail renewals were being processed by hand. So, the following Monday (March 5th) I e-mailed her to find out what was up, receiving a reply that the money order was received and that my renewal was processed.

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Now, I forget, did FunPub maybe prolong the renewal deadline after the whole credit card security breakdown and switching back to mail-in forms? Because given all that's happened that seems like the absolute least they could do in consideration for their members who still want to stick with them.


Nope, they're sticking to the March 16th deadline.

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Edited by Engledogg, 09 March 2012 - 12:11 AM.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Mar 8 2012, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now, I forget, did FunPub maybe prolong the renewal deadline after the whole credit card security breakdown and switching back to mail-in forms? Because given all that's happened that seems like the absolute least they could do in consideration for their members who still want to stick with them.

Apparently they can't (a lot of folks will make it sound as though Fun Pub is choosing to hold to the deadline rather than show mercy to folks who have been affected by Fun Pub's problems--which are many. The explanations Fun Pub has given--such as they are--make it pretty obvious that Fun Pub isn't extending the deadline because they can't extend it for some logistical reason or another. I don't pretend to know what that reason is, but I'm more than a little tired of people assuming nefarious motives on Fun Pub's part).

Edited by G.B.Blackrock, 09 March 2012 - 12:26 AM.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 01:32 AM

Wait, if they're taking payment by mail for renewal, are you also able to register to the convention in the same way?
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 07:18 AM

I'm certain there are a whole lot of problems/issues if they decide to extend the deadline past March 16th.

The one I'm most concerned about is delaying the sending out of Runamuck. Randy wants his Runamuck. icon-fire.gif

I for one am glad they have not.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:51 AM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Mar 8 2012, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The explanations Fun Pub has given--such as they are--make it pretty obvious that Fun Pub isn't extending the deadline because they can't extend it for some logistical reason or another. I don't pretend to know what that reason is, but I'm more than a little tired of people assuming nefarious motives on Fun Pub's part).


QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 9 2012, 06:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm certain there are a whole lot of problems/issues if they decide to extend the deadline past March 16th.


I've not been one sharpening the pitchforks or lighting the torches yet, but I have to ask....is everyone suffering from Stockholm syndrome? I respect the possibility that there are some valid logistical reason to maintain the deadline. But absent other information, it seems roughly as likely that they're holding the deadline because they always hold the deadline. Organizations of all shapes and sizes tend to stick to prior operating procedure regardless of if the original logic behind that procedure continues to hold.

Thus far, the only piece of info I've seen is just that they're describing it as a "hard internal deadline." That could mean that by waiting until the 17th, organizing BotCon becomes unwieldy. It could also mean that in every other year they get emails on March 18th pleading to get the current year's figure and so they have to have rigid policies to deal with that issue. If it's the second, they're kind of botching their crisis management by not extending the deadline. If it's the first, they're botching their crisis management by providing no information.

I'm not arguing this is a nefarious act, I'm arguing this is an act of inertia.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:11 AM

What you (and everyone else crying foul on FP for not extending the deadline) are missing is that this isn't a toy preorder, it's an event that occurs annually. Once a year, something happens--specifically, everyone who's a member of the club at that moment gets put on a "you get a toy" list. If I signed up on March 1 last year, then I get Side Burn; if I signed up on April 3, then I get Runamuck; but I always get some toy because a membership lasts one year and the dates are exactly one year apart.

Now, let's see what happens when we try pushing the date back by, say, a month. The deadline is now April 16. Sounds great, right? Except, remember, it's not a preorder, it's an event. The guy who signed up on March 1 last year is still fine, because he already has Side Burn, but the guy who signed up on April 3 gets screwed over. He was too late for Side Burn, and now he's too early for Runamuck, so he gets no free membership toy at all.

"But Andrusi!" you say. "Couldn't FP just credit all current members with a month of extra membership time?" Well, sure, you could. Of course, then the guy who signed up March 1 gets both Side Burn and Runamuck for the price of one membership, which probably messes up Runamuck's production numbers, and also probably makes him a little grumpy if he already paid his $40 to renew for the sake of getting Runamuck. And yes, I'm sure there's some way to work around that, but by this point we're getting into compensations for compensations for compensations over something that, frankly, boils down to people waiting until the last possible second to do something and then complaining when they run into last-minute problems. And I don't appreciate being accused of various "convincing yourself you like a terrible situation" cliches for being able to accept this.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:59 PM

So what about us who have been waiting for their online store to get back up to get in? Sounds like we're getting unintentionally screwed. Sure, there's mailing in a check, but I honestly didn't know this until now. I don't know if I could even get a Runamuck if I sent in a renewal today.

Edited by C16, 09 March 2012 - 04:03 PM.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE(C16 @ Mar 9 2012, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what about us who have been waiting for their online store to get back up to get in? We've been unfairly screwed. Sure, there's mailing in a check, but I honestly didn't know this until now. I don't know if I could even get a Runamuck if I sent in a renewal today.

I'd call them on the phone or just try and send the check in now any way. Call them Monday (if they're closed for the weekend) and let them know to expect it.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:07 PM

Would it be fine as long as it was postmarked before the 15th or would it have to arrive and be processed before then?

Also, is mail in registration for Botcon possible?

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Mar 9 2012, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What you (and everyone else crying foul on FP for not extending the deadline) are missing is that this isn't a toy preorder, it's an event that occurs annually. Once a year, something happens--specifically, everyone who's a member of the club at that moment gets put on a "you get a toy" list. If I signed up on March 1 last year, then I get Side Burn; if I signed up on April 3, then I get Runamuck; but I always get some toy because a membership lasts one year and the dates are exactly one year apart.

Now, let's see what happens when we try pushing the date back by, say, a month. The deadline is now April 16. Sounds great, right? Except, remember, it's not a preorder, it's an event. The guy who signed up on March 1 last year is still fine, because he already has Side Burn, but the guy who signed up on April 3 gets screwed over. He was too late for Side Burn, and now he's too early for Runamuck, so he gets no free membership toy at all.

"But Andrusi!" you say. "Couldn't FP just credit all current members with a month of extra membership time?" Well, sure, you could. Of course, then the guy who signed up March 1 gets both Side Burn and Runamuck for the price of one membership, which probably messes up Runamuck's production numbers, and also probably makes him a little grumpy if he already paid his $40 to renew for the sake of getting Runamuck. And yes, I'm sure there's some way to work around that, but by this point we're getting into compensations for compensations for compensations over something that, frankly, boils down to people waiting until the last possible second to do something and then complaining when they run into last-minute problems. And I don't appreciate being accused of various "convincing yourself you like a terrible situation" cliches for being able to accept this.


The Stockholm Syndrome remark was harsh and I probably should have left it out. Please accept my apologies. That said, it seems to me that the fandom is split between the extremes of people calling for Hasbro to revoke the license and people accepting that FunPub will fix it all, despite explanations "such as they are," to use G.B. Blackrock's phrase. I think it would help if both sides move to the center.

I respect your slippery slope argument. I'm viewing this completely from the lens of crisis management and I'm not convinced that FunPub is doing a particularly effective job of it. What's happening behind the scenes is likely overtaxing their resources, but they have dual problems of a technical issue and a public relations issue. They seem to still be kind of behind in dealing with the second.

Regardless of the RUINED FOREVER phenomenon, we're mostly adults here. I would think that if you explain the very logical reason for not extending the deadline that you've outlined (if that's what's happening), generally people should be understanding. As it is, FunPub is piling an arbitrary sounding explanation on top of whatever goodwill was eroded by the credit card issue.

Personally, I'd suggest some plan where they keep enrollment open for another month, but with very explicit language that the membership covers the period from March 16, 2012-March 16, 2013. I'm sure some people would rail about how they're "cheated" out of that month. Given that FunPub just sold a very well executed figure that is, in part, designed to work with the free figure, I'd think that doing something to allow greater access to that figure would be overall appreciated.

In full disclosure, I am the rare example of someone who has miraculously not been hit with fraud and who renewed before the store went down. So I have no reason to be angry (and ultimately I'm not). I'm pulling for FunPub to emerge unscathed, but I think transparency about what's happening is the best way to try and diffuse the situation.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(GodmasterElvis @ Mar 9 2012, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Stockholm Syndrome remark was harsh and I probably should have left it out. Please accept my apologies. That said, it seems to me that the fandom is split between the extremes of people calling for Hasbro to revoke the license and people accepting that FunPub will fix it all, despite explanations "such as they are," to use G.B. Blackrock's phrase. I think it would help if both sides move to the center.

I'm pretty happy to agree that it would be helpful to move more to the center and away from the extremes, unless someone is trying to suggest that somehow I'm on one of those extremes.

Because if someone gets that impression having read my posts over the years (I've had plenty bad to say about FP on occasion), I'm not sure what I can do that would make me appear to move toward the center.



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