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@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:23 PM)

When someone stands next to say, Optimus Prime's leg it would just look like there's a large blue rectangle.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:21 PM)

In live-action, they would all look flat and underdetailed when they're supposed to be huge.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:32 PM)

I'm 90% sure they will be using more G1-ish designs in the reboot (if there'll be such a thing of course). They already used over-complicated movie designs, they'll return to G1.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:15 PM)

All I'm saying is when they reboot it, they might want to try something they never did in the screen and use G1-ish designs.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:57 PM)

Why? Would a classic G1 aesthetic make money?

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:38 PM)

I don't think that switching to G1 would "correct" anything.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:22 PM)

I actually believe they would switch to G1 because I feel like the next director would try to correct 'wrongs' of the older movies.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Also, if they get to the point of completely rebooting the movies with an entirely different aesthetic I highly doubt they'd switch specifically to G1.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

A design alone doesn't say anything. The designs and the setting together are what TFWiki would deliberate upon.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

I know but a movie character would definitely gets his sub page because of the tie-ins, it would be far too long.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sub-pages are not done because of new franchises; they are done for length reasons.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

I mean if they look like this: http://www.allspark....-1471381025.jpg

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:02 PM)

If they were in the G1 continuity (which I doubt would happen), then yes. Otherwise, a reboot would likely be separate from G1 and the current Movieverse.


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#1 Magick

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:57 AM

Hi all. Does anyone have the TF:Prime Season One on Blu-ray? I read the review at http://www.blu-ray.c...y/34899/#Review and was concerned about the banding and general video quality issues. They liked the sound and extras, but dinged the video. I want to get the BR version, but if it has annoying video issues then I'll get the DVD version.

Apologies if this is in the wrong forum. I checked the Transformers TV forum and it appeared to be geared toward individual episodes than DVD reviews.

Edited by Magick, 07 March 2012 - 02:00 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:03 AM

According to Brian Ward on the Shout Factory forums, the banding is part of the source material. So the DVDs won't look any better in that regard.

Edited by Buster Darkwings, 07 March 2012 - 02:04 AM.


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:19 AM

I've wondered about that, but was hoping someone who had it could provide more detail.
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:31 AM

I think tfw reviewed an early copy or something talking about the video quality.the pictures really great, its just "technically" not as great as it could be (banding and all that) but the episodes themselves are still gorgeous to look at. Not really that big of a deal really imo

I should be getting my copy on Thursday. Apparently the blu ray version is online only? (Didn't know that)

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:38 PM

Can someone explain what banding is?
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:44 PM

QUOTE(RCX @ Mar 7 2012, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can someone explain what banding is?


If you do a quick Google image search for "Video Banding" or somesuch, you can get some good examples.

Essentially, colour gradients aren't smoothly blended, meaning that you get distinct "stripes" or "bands" of colours.


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:02 PM

*looks it up*

Eh, that jive is par for the course with CGI shows and LCD TVs. These people have too much time on their hands to complain about such minor things, especially with the uber-compression of cable signals these days.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:12 PM

Mine is en route, and should arrive Saturday. I'm anxious to watch these in a quality better than Youtube. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:13 PM

I have the DVD and have reviwed it but I didn't get a Blu-Ray copy.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:19 PM

QUOTE(God Fire Convoy @ Mar 6 2012, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I should be getting my copy on Thursday. Apparently the blu ray version is online only? (Didn't know that)


Considering that I just picked it up at Future Shop (Canadian retail) yesterday... no?

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:34 PM

Hm. Well maybe canaaas different

Some people were sayin on tfw that that's what the deal is (which would explain why I haven't spotted any at the stores. Just the dvd versions)

But anyway, I ordered on amazon n should get it tomorrow

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 01:39 PM

That could be the case.

In which case, I'm happy to have been able to pick it up on a whim.

Edited by mx-01 archon, 07 March 2012 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:04 PM

I got the BD.

I think the show looks AMAZING.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:06 PM

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Eh, that jive is par for the course with CGI shows and LCD TVs. These people have too much time on their hands to complain about such minor things, especially with the uber-compression of cable signals these days.

And over cable, they shouldn't complain. The Blu-Ray format, though, is more than capable of running those kinds of images uncompressed, and the production source material almost certainly didn't have the banding either. People should definitely expect better than that from a BD.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:12 PM

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and the production source material almost certainly didn't have the banding either


But apparently it did.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 07:02 PM

I got mine from Amazon today and haven't noticed a problem.



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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE(mx-01 archon @ Mar 8 2012, 04:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Professor @ Mar 7 2012, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and the production source material almost certainly didn't have the banding either


But apparently it did.


This doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be in the Blu-ray as well, since there are various technologies that reduce/eliminate it, such as Sony's SBMV: http://www.eclectice...for-video-sbmv/

Banding used to be fairly common on anime BDs in Japan before companies started using it. I don't expect a small company like Shout Factory to know or bother with such software though, as I imagine the license to use it isn't free.

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Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:06 AM

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But apparently it did.

No, what was given to Shout Factory had the banding. It is enormously unlikely that the original renders had the banding, and there are almost certainly uncompressed masters of the episodes out there. At some point it was compressed (maybe for air on HDTV?), and that's apparently what they gave to Shout Factory.

As BD notes, there are ways to remove banding and otherwise clean up lower-res or compressed source material. However, a modern CG-rendered series shouldn't be having this issue in the first place. Someone was thoughtless or indifferent about what source material was given to Shout to work from.



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