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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 Octavius Prime

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:47 PM

Pics available at TFW and also here (via Seibertron).

Only "new" stuff is seeing PRiD Voyagers Starscream and Bulkhead in package, the RC Knock Out and BB in package, the production (not hand-painted) Optimus Maximus, and (maybe?) the Bot Shots 4-pack (Megatron & Optimus w/launchers, green Brawl and another BB. Megatron might be black, but I'm not sure; maybe dark brown. Different paint apps from the normal launcher version, anyway).

Man, I'm gonna buy Optimus Maximus, aren't I?

edit: Apparently there's a Kre-O display, but no close up pics that I've seen yet. Too bad, as I'm sure they showed the new stuff (unless Kre-O isn't the Oz market yet?).

Edited by Octavius Prime, 06 March 2012 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:09 PM

Kre-O is here. he just wasn't allowed to take any photos
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And I wasn't allowed to photograph any of the Kreo, as they only had the rough samples that Toyfair Germany was using, not the more polished versions at Toyfair America. (They had packaging there though, so I was able to obtain all the missing details the American Transfan sites had missed while they were more focussed on taking pics of the action figures)
only info we had for kreo was
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Kreo Series 2 - September. Kreo Series 1 - (last year's sets) will continue to ship to stores, but the bigger sets will be at selected chains only, as exclusives. Kreo Devastator set - 4 robots/vehicles (Scrapper, Drillbit, Hightower, Scavenger) with a Devastator Kreon. 560 pieces. Kreo will be more battle & playset themed this year, Vs "build" theme of last year.
http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?t=13126

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:15 PM

QUOTE(Goblez @ Mar 6 2012, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kre-O is here. he just wasn't allowed to take any photos
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And I wasn't allowed to photograph any of the Kreo, as they only had the rough samples that Toyfair Germany was using, not the more polished versions at Toyfair America. (They had packaging there though, so I was able to obtain all the missing details the American Transfan sites had missed while they were more focussed on taking pics of the action figures)


only info we had for kreo was

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Kreo Series 2 - September.
Kreo Series 1 - (last year's sets) will continue to ship to stores, but the bigger sets will be at selected chains only, as exclusives.

Kreo Devastator set - 4 robots/vehicles (Scrapper, Drillbit, Hightower, Scavenger) with a Devastator Kreon. 560 pieces.

Kreo will be more battle & playset themed this year, Vs "build" theme of last year.


http://www.otca.com....ead.php?t=13126


Ah, thanks.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:16 PM

tfw is really slooooow for me right now...

edit: but the seibertron link was way better

Edited by gargunkle, 06 March 2012 - 08:18 PM.

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#5 Chris McFeely

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:22 PM

And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 7 2012, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.





I see him as Prime's father. with one of those baby harnesses in the front to hold Baby Cyberverse prime

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:34 PM

Cyber Lizard Jumpstarter? Cool.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:35 PM

I was curious if Optimus Maximus came with any cyberverse figures like the vehicles do, but it looks like it doesn't.
Cool, guess I don't have to hold off on buying a Commander Optimus Prime when I see him.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:49 PM

QUOTE(Silent_Magnus @ Mar 6 2012, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was curious if Optimus Maximus came with any cyberverse figures like the vehicles do, but it looks like it doesn't.
Cool, guess I don't have to hold off on buying a Commander Optimus Prime when I see him.


Yeah, it's a bit weird that he doesn't at least come with a Commander class Optimus repaint, but at least this way you don't get dicked over if you already buy one before getting Maximus.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:26 PM

Neat FOC shot cant wait for these guys

And yes Im already buying all the Cyberverse stuff so Metro Prime is so bought

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 10:46 PM

Nice bright shots of everything, I appreciate that.

Very interested in the new, mystery Botshots (Black and Gold Megatron launcher, Green Brawl)
On them twitters

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:05 PM

Dammit. Not only do I want Optimus Maximus now, I will have to buy Cyberverse figures to go with him. icon-megs.gif icon-fire.gif

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:11 PM

I think I'm now happy with my deluxe Starscream
With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:45 AM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 7 2012, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.


That it's such an obnoxiously awful toy that really cannot be said to even transform and is still getting released feels like a lot more of a miracle. A dark one.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 6 2012, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.

Yeah I photographed his bio back at Toy Fair 2012, apparently no one read it then...

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:23 AM

Optimus Maximus is still maybe a pass. I never did care much for the "stand or sit guys on robot's forearm or shoulder and give them a gun turret" gimmick on the Human Alliance toys, and I don't know if I like it much here either. I have to admit I'm probably a hypocrite though, because I'd probably like it more if the toy looked like Metroplex or Fortress Maximus, and those were G1 Legends all over it. icon-waspy.gif
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Posted 07 March 2012 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE(The Phazer @ Mar 7 2012, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 7 2012, 01:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.


That it's such an obnoxiously awful toy that really cannot be said to even transform and is still getting released feels like a lot more of a miracle. A dark one.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 6 2012, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.


But we learned that at the US Toy Fair...

http://toyfair12.asm...s/DSC05631.html

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 7 2012, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 6 2012, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.

Yeah I photographed his bio back at Toy Fair 2012, apparently no one read it then...

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I'm not sure why one would need to read the bio to figure that out. The toy is clearly a mecha, not a living TF.

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Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Mar 7 2012, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 7 2012, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 6 2012, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And suddenly, I'm back on board for Optimus Maximus. Dude, it's not actually Optimus Prime, it just looks like him! That in and of itself is some kind of tiny miracle.

Yeah I photographed his bio back at Toy Fair 2012, apparently no one read it then...

Randy


I'm not sure why one would need to read the bio to figure that out. The toy is clearly a mecha, not a living TF.

I'd think the fact that it's designed to interact with a second, smaller Optimus Prime should have been enough, personally...

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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