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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#1 Powered Convoy

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:27 PM

http://www.e-hobby.c...rand/002/023/X/

Gives you a really good look at these guys and includes some additional photos not shown on TakaraTomy's site.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:38 PM

Man, I think we were better off without the really good look at them. Yikes.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:44 PM

Those attachment points for the weapons look a bit distracting.

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:26 PM

The stickers look particularly awful on Cliffjumper.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:30 PM

Wow. Never been happier that I've canceled a pre-order. Those stickers are garbage.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

There's no way they won't make a micron booster pack, right?

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:32 PM

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

Wow, they really had to cut corners to include those Mini-Cons. Cliffjuimper's ill-fitting stickers remind me of a Big Lots knockoff.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:42 PM

I just can't understand this. They have actively worsened the appearance of the figures by actively cutting corners in order to create new add-on features as a universal gimmick that ISN'T PART OF THE FICTION. WHAT.

EDIT: Hang on - just read this somewhere else, hadn't realised it before - these Mini-Cons are coming unpainted and unassembled? Still on SPRUES?

Edited by Chris McFeely, 02 March 2012 - 05:52 PM.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 2 2012, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just can't understand this. They have actively worsened the appearance of the figures by actively cutting corners in order to create new add-on features as a universal gimmick that ISN'T PART OF THE FICTION. WHAT.

EDIT: Hang on - just read this somewhere else, hadn't realised it before - these Mini-Cons are coming unpainted and unassembled? Still on SPRUES?

It's actually pretty easy to understand when you look at the price tag. These things cost about 1/3rd less than prior toys of the same size-class.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:11 PM

1: Give PRID toys the mumps
2: ???
3: Profit!

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:30 PM

Suddenly the US RID figures look positively covered in paint apps.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:35 PM

Well, if the sudden reduction in mass, size, and complexity for the Prime line was actually a Takara initiative, I guess we know where Hasbro got this influx of profit to pay for 40 Generations toys...

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 2 2012, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EDIT: Hang on - just read this somewhere else, hadn't realised it before - these Mini-Cons are coming unpainted and unassembled? Still on SPRUES?

I don't know about that first part, as all the pictures show them painted metallic colors - unless they're just cast in them instead.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:22 AM

Looks like they're cast in the same kind of pearlescent semi-metallic plastic as Japanese FE Bulkhead (and two of the most recent Arms Micron giveaways), with all the rest of their color coming from stickers and their clear plug-in symbol plates. I don't think they've even got painted faces.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:28 AM

Man, I can't wait for Tomy's Hot Shot. What a crazy-ass thing that'll be to experience. Once. And hopefully not again.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:51 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't released there or ends up some kind of exclusive.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:51 AM

It is a shame what happened with this line...I have no one to give me the wheels I want anymore. Disappointing from TakaraTomy and I hope they get back into making premium figures sooner rather than later.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 01:06 AM

i like them......

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:52 AM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Mar 3 2012, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1: Give PRID toys the mumps
2: ???
3: Profit!

I'd really like to know what led them to think that step 1 would lead to step 3.

Well, I guess for Japanese kids, these won't have to "compete" with Hasbro's releases.

By the way, why did they have to put all those bumps there anyway? Couldn't they have simply put peg holes on the vehicle parts without making those ugly bumps? Would still look distracting, but not as bad.

Edited by Item42, 03 March 2012 - 03:52 AM.

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.




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