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@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

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Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

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@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.


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#41 Powered Convoy

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:30 PM

The head reminds me of Jazz's from FoC for some reason but obviously it's a Decepticon.

Edited by Powered Convoy, 01 March 2012 - 02:36 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:33 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Mar 1 2012, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The head reminds me of Jazz's from FoC for some reason but obviously it's a Decepticon.


Could it be one of the guys from the upcoming set? Just wondering: he looks familiar but I can't place him (not that my knowledge is anywhere near the level of Walky).

Oh, and how long before someone can take the preview pages, and edit the word balloons so the discussion is all about Overlord's poutty lips?
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:47 PM

Ursa Magnus being in Axiom Nexus does present something of a plot hole.

There are no lowtech Primes, Magnuses, Hot Rods, Starscreams, Megatrons, or any of their doppelgangers in Axiom Nexus. On purpose. You know, to keep trouble from happening. Those folks get kicked out before they even know they're in it, booted back to their home universe. I would think Ursa Magnus would be included in that.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:59 PM

Were Magnuses included in that rule? I always thought it was just applicable to Primes/Convoys and Megatrons.

For Ursa, if this helps, "Magnus" is a rank handled in the same way "Prime" and such was in the Animated continuity. I always handled it in the following order: Minor, Major, Maximus, Magnus, Prime. So he has the rank of Magnus, and nothing more. No different than having a military title of Lieutenant-Commander or Commander under a Captain.

He is in no way related to or descended from Ultra Magnus. He's just a guy who got promoted to that rank in his dimension's military hierarchy.

Edited by Ursa Magnus, 05 March 2012 - 03:11 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

Well, specifically "Matrix-bearers" and "charismatic leader-types."

Ultra Magnuses have Matrices in several continuities. And in Animated, Magnus is the top-ranking everything, making him the Optimus Prime-analog of that continuity family.

Also, we've never seen a lowtech Magnus in an Axiom Nexus story.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:12 PM

Granted.

Heh, well I guess it's something I never had to really consider given that he's a fan character and I never thought he'd get an actual TFWiki entry.

And Axiom Nexus made sense from a story perspective given what happened to him at the end of Drivaaar's "Out of Time" story. It made sense that thrown through time might end him up in Axiom Nexus. Plus, Pete was kind enough to allow me to use it as the setting for the Allspark Sourcebook.

And... maybe we should continue this discussion to the Wiki thread? I don't want to derail discussion of the pages any more than necessary.

Edited by Ursa Magnus, 01 March 2012 - 04:13 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:21 PM

Hrm... Looks like this was a wink wink nod nod that I missed lol. No biggie as Beamers and Nightvipers character appeared in Axiom years back (and no one caught that)

Anyways, short answer - He's TT Ursa Magnus

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 2 2012, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, specifically "Matrix-bearers" and "charismatic leader-types."

Ultra Magnuses have Matrices in several continuities. And in Animated, Magnus is the top-ranking everything, making him the Optimus Prime-analog of that continuity family.

Also, we've never seen a lowtech Magnus in an Axiom Nexus story.


We have seen a Lowtech Megatron, though. Albeit BW Megs

Had Pete not just posted a reason, I'd just say he somehow got in the same way BW Megatron was there

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:32 PM

QUOTE(Mecheon @ Mar 1 2012, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 2 2012, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, specifically "Matrix-bearers" and "charismatic leader-types."

Ultra Magnuses have Matrices in several continuities. And in Animated, Magnus is the top-ranking everything, making him the Optimus Prime-analog of that continuity family.

Also, we've never seen a lowtech Magnus in an Axiom Nexus story.


We have seen a Lowtech Megatron, though. Albeit BW Megs

Had Pete not just posted a reason, I'd just say he somehow got in the same way BW Megatron was there


Sir, that was Joe.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:49 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Mar 1 2012, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am shamed to admit that I still have no idea who the Decepticon on this screen is: http://tfwiki.net/wi...ogue-Rhinox.jpg

I feel like it should be obvious, and once it is pointed out, I will cry for days.


I first thought SG Treadshot or an upcoming recolor. Is that a red faction symbol?

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:59 PM

QUOTE(Pete@BotCon @ Mar 1 2012, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hrm... Looks like this was a wink wink nod nod that I missed lol. No biggie as Beamers and Nightvipers character appeared in Axiom years back (and no one caught that)


Indeed, and I'm grateful for the nod.

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EDIT: TransTech Ursa? Yeah, I can do that...



Edited by Ursa Magnus, 01 March 2012 - 05:46 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE(Pete@BotCon @ Mar 1 2012, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyways, short answer - He's TT Ursa Magnus
To the wiki!

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Mar 1 2012, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pete@BotCon @ Mar 1 2012, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyways, short answer - He's TT Ursa Magnus
To the wiki!

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:25 PM

I'm Wiki'd! *dances*

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 05:33 PM

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I'm Wiki'd! *dances*
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:26 PM

icon-arcee.gif I guess that means I'm Hasbro Property now. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:29 PM

Now you have to ask permission before using Ursa Magnus.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

Wouldn't Funpub have to ask him permission to use his IP (not like he wouldn't give it of course)? Or would the character be PD because Ursa Magnus didn't put copyright notices on it?

Edited by mignash, 01 March 2012 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 07:13 PM

Ursa Magnus was already a derivative work based in Hasbro's shared universe. There is no real way to claim copyright on him unless you're Hasbro or a licensee.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 07:29 PM

Eh, I lost interest in the very first panel. I'm not a big fan of the Transformers multiverse schtick, but it's as capable of having a good story as any other setting. However, heavy-handed sci-fi narration about the Transformers multiverse already tells me that this is going in a direction I won't care for. I don't go to Transformers for hard sci-fi -- there's too much of that available better elsewhere, and it's not what I like about the TF franchise in the first place.

I sorta knew it was coming based on this year's theme, but I suppose I was hoping we'd get something with less Star-Trek technobabble. To me, that stuff is just trying too hard to be something Transformers really isn't.

But, obviously plenty of people like it. Nothin' wrong with that. just not my thing at all.



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