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@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that continuity after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same continuity.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o

@  Defensis Prime : (21 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Okay, see, this is not his fault--

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

Whoa. Sugar rush...

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 09:46 PM)

DON'T TALK TO ME! DON'T TALK TO ME, CRIMINAL!

@  Paladin : (21 August 2016 - 08:16 PM)

they ate the whole plate. the WHOLE Plate.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 05:35 PM)

GRANMAMA DRINK YO PRUNE JUICE

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 August 2016 - 04:05 PM)

Who?

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 03:39 PM)

Yeah they were awesome.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 August 2016 - 03:37 PM)

Anyone wish Maggie and Glenn from the first movie would return?

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 03:19 PM)

And if the movies focused on Lennox and Epps (and Simmons) rather than Manic Weirdo, Fatherly Asshole, Statutory Rape Guy, and Generic Female Characters #432, #527, and #671, they'd already be far, far better movies.

@  ShadowMan024 : (21 August 2016 - 03:02 PM)

Lennox and Epps are the exact opposite of "terrible."

@  Cybersnark : (21 August 2016 - 02:47 PM)

Honestly, the movie designs look fine and are totally recognizable, the problem is how they're filmed (in close-up, shakeycam, with split-second cuts). We just need more wide shots, and a plot that focuses on the TFs as characters rather than as props for the (terrible) human characters..

@  Boomhauer : (21 August 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Yeah it's pretty obvious that the movie designs go out of their way to have parts in particular places that move around like muscles. They're going for metal aliens instead of megazords. A reboot, no matter how faithful to G1, would probably still have to try and go for a visual style that allows that kind of fluid movement.

@  cefurox : (21 August 2016 - 10:17 AM)

wew lad

@  unluckiness : (21 August 2016 - 08:48 AM)

At the very least, they make it tougher to see when parts clip through other parts

@  Fnu Aw : (21 August 2016 - 08:45 AM)

The movie designs were never about realism. They're about natural looking movement. Realistic G1 style designs would not move the way we want to see Transformers move. They'd collide with their own boxiness. The shredded metal look of the movie designs lets them flex.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 August 2016 - 06:18 AM)

IDW's art styles varied wildly throughout the years. And I'm not sure how "realism" is a reason to have one over any other since we don't know what shape-changing metal lifeforms really look like.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:51 AM)

I liked Eric the best, since he felt the most like a real person to me and had character growth over the series.

@  MEDdMI : (21 August 2016 - 05:50 AM)

Sort of. It was never animated, but if you scroll down to ep 28 and you can read the script for the final ep.

@  tffan01 : (21 August 2016 - 05:47 AM)

of course I'm not talking about Sunbow or Marvel, they look like people in cardboard boxes, I mean IDW, they look both interesting, realistic and also G1 enough.

@  Bass X0 : (21 August 2016 - 05:43 AM)

Did the kids in the Dungeons & Dragons cartoon ever find a way home for good?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:15 PM)

Since we're talking about design styles, wasn't AHM like that?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Yeah, look at IDW. All its lead writers are longstnading fans, but it's not like they've tried to wholly shoehorn Marvel or Sunbow into IDW.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 11:10 PM)

Or even a new style that isn't quite like any of the others.

@  Pennpenn : (20 August 2016 - 11:09 PM)

Even if they simplified the designs they'd probably look more like Prime than G1.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 10:59 PM)

Also, "they'll go to G1 because they already used over-complicated movie designs" is a bit of a false dichotomy.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM)

Also, flat-nosed trucks don't look intimidatingly cool to most American audiences. Movies got to find some way to get funding.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:23 PM)

When someone stands next to say, Optimus Prime's leg it would just look like there's a large blue rectangle.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 08:21 PM)

In live-action, they would all look flat and underdetailed when they're supposed to be huge.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:32 PM)

I'm 90% sure they will be using more G1-ish designs in the reboot (if there'll be such a thing of course). They already used over-complicated movie designs, they'll return to G1.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 03:15 PM)

All I'm saying is when they reboot it, they might want to try something they never did in the screen and use G1-ish designs.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:57 PM)

Why? Would a classic G1 aesthetic make money?

@  ShadowMan024 : (20 August 2016 - 02:38 PM)

I don't think that switching to G1 would "correct" anything.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:22 PM)

I actually believe they would switch to G1 because I feel like the next director would try to correct 'wrongs' of the older movies.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 August 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Also, if they get to the point of completely rebooting the movies with an entirely different aesthetic I highly doubt they'd switch specifically to G1.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

A design alone doesn't say anything. The designs and the setting together are what TFWiki would deliberate upon.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:13 PM)

I know but a movie character would definitely gets his sub page because of the tie-ins, it would be far too long.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sub-pages are not done because of new franchises; they are done for length reasons.

@  tffan01 : (20 August 2016 - 02:12 PM)

I mean if they look like this: http://www.allspark....-1471381025.jpg


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#21 Robowang

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:23 AM

I was a bit worried when taking out the screws, but it ended up being fine. I suppose "mileage may vary" when attempting a fix/solution.

What I really need is access to a 3D scanner. I know someone with access to a 3D printer (the good kind!) and I would LOVE to start reproducing gold plastic G1/G2 parts.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:54 PM

There's also repro parts like Darkov on tfw2005 does. For example I think he has (or at least had) a Black Zarak kit.
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:13 PM

In theory, these fractures happen at a space where stress is applied, and especially in areas where stress is concentrated due to the shape of the material (right angled corners, regions that narrow, nubs, etc.). So in theory, removing the shape factor that causes the stress concentration, or disassembling the piece such that it is no longer under stress should reduce the chance of fracture or collapse. However, as has been stated, this implies that the piece can be modified or disassembled without exceeding the critical stress for fracture, which may not be the case if physical properties have been compromised by the GPS process.

Will this solve the problem? No. The material will still be at the same risk of fracture or failure. However, the one silver lining in gold plastic is that in many examples, failure occurs at a consistent location. This, at least to me, means stress concentrators are probably playing a role in those spots, and may be exacerbated by shape factors, decohesion, and possibly even casting conditions. So knowing what to watch out for might make it easier to hold onto a complete figure.

Edited by Aernaroth, 29 February 2012 - 05:32 PM.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:20 PM

Thank you Aernaroth aka Preceptor

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:21 PM

my Transmetal Megatron is still fine...

course he suffers from the sister sickness Bronze Plastic plague ...not your standard gps
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#26 CORVUS

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 29 2012, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's also repro parts like Darkov on tfw2005 does. For example I think he has (or at least had) a Black Zarak kit.

Darkov is dropping out of the repro parts business, perhaps permanently.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:34 PM

QUOTE(Robowang @ Feb 29 2012, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was a bit worried when taking out the screws, but it ended up being fine. I suppose "mileage may vary" when attempting a fix/solution.

Of course, don't get me wrong, I've dismantled several figures which have been fine as well, but it's just one of those things you can't bet on. Loosening screws may stave off GPS for a while longer, or it might just break it there and then.

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#28 CORVUS

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:36 PM

This just in: all 2013 Generations figures to be made of painted-over swirly, sparkly, gold plastic.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Feb 29 2012, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 28 2012, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The last time GPS popped up would be Micromaster Superion. I'd hoped it would have been the last.

Ah man, that doesn't make me happy to learn. I thought G2 Slingshot and Torca were the only ones I had to worry about in my collection. icon-screamer.gif



QUOTE(Benbot @ Feb 29 2012, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone have a list of recent figures (made in the last 10 years, not reissues) that suffer from this problem?

That'd actually be a very short list. Off the top of my head, between 2002 and now, only two mass market figures have used GPS-prone plastic, that being Cybertron Repugnus (although his gold parts aren't under much stress and don't really need to move, so they probably will be okay) and Micromaster Superion who is loaded with it. Almost all the white combiner parts are actually swirly gold plastic painted over in white. There were already reports of breakage as of last year, specifically in the clips that hold the fists on.

QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Feb 29 2012, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This just in: all 2013 Generations figures to be made of painted-over swirly, sparkly, gold plastic.

Cue official Transformers sad trombone. Again...

Edited by Spark, 29 February 2012 - 11:58 PM.

Fall of Cybertron will blow your mind. That is all.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:09 AM

QUOTE(Spark @ Feb 29 2012, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cybertron Repugnus


... you're kidding!! Oh man.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:06 AM

I remember some people having problems with the protoform Starscream (or maybe it was Optimus) from the first movie preview wave. People were worried about it there.

And movie 1 Scorponok's tail. The small version that came with Blackout, I think? Something like that?

I remember people saying they had problems with both, and speculating GPS.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:35 AM

I think the movie Scorponok that had tail problems is the Legends one.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 09:32 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Mar 1 2012, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember some people having problems with the protoform Starscream (or maybe it was Optimus) from the first movie preview wave. People were worried about it there.

And movie 1 Scorponok's tail. The small version that came with Blackout, I think? Something like that?

I remember people saying they had problems with both, and speculating GPS.


If memory serves, one guy reported his Protoform Starscream going through GPS-like symptoms, and that was after he did some custom painting with it. May not be the same thing.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 11:16 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Mar 1 2012, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember some people having problems with the protoform Starscream (or maybe it was Optimus) from the first movie preview wave. People were worried about it there.

And movie 1 Scorponok's tail. The small version that came with Blackout, I think? Something like that?

I remember people saying they had problems with both, and speculating GPS.

Scorponok was the Legends version, and it wasn't GPS. It's the rubbery plastic drying out and cracking apart. The result isn't much different, though.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:31 PM

My movie 1 Protoform Starscream in in my neices and nefuws toy box if something breaks I will let you know its been there sence the 1st movie came out on DVD

And nothings broke on it yet

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:39 PM

My BW10 Dinobot pretty much disintegrated.
And I'm afraid to transform my protoform Starscream just because of his color.
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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE(Cat @ Mar 1 2012, 08:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I remember some people having problems with the protoform Starscream (or maybe it was Optimus) from the first movie preview wave. People were worried about it there.

And movie 1 Scorponok's tail. The small version that came with Blackout, I think? Something like that?

I remember people saying they had problems with both, and speculating GPS.

What Echowarrior and TMM said is correct. The Protoform Starscream was a false alarm that's turned into a persistent scare.


QUOTE(RCX @ Mar 1 2012, 02:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My BW10 Dinobot pretty much disintegrated.
And I'm afraid to transform my protoform Starscream just because of his color.

Um... 10 Anniversary BW Dinobot isn't really gold, and I've never read about it falling apart. I don't even recall his plastic being swirly. How did it happen?
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