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#221 Matenshi

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 08:35 PM

Going off of something someone mentioned earlier, I actually do have to wonder if the character in question being female has anything to do with the people reacting negatively. No one really seems to care about all the stock dumb male characters in shows (of which there is a LOT).

Personally I'm more offended by people using the word "*scrubbed*(ed)" to refer to someone mentally handicapped. That word has come to be an actual general insult.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 08:54 PM

Well, all the definitions say it being stupid or looking *scrubbed*, not to actually referring to one being *scrubbed*, just stupid or an expression. I can see the confusion here.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 09:02 PM

there's an argument to be made towards 'willful confusion' at this point.

but then again some people think Obama's a Muslim Socialist

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE(Destron D-69 @ Mar 3 2012, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
there's an argument to be made towards 'willful confusion' at this point.

but then again some people think Obama's a Muslim Socialist

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:34 PM

well people saying words mean something that they don't, seems to come up in there often as well LOL
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:52 AM

I always took it to mean more along the lines of a brief moment of stupidity, i.e. a "brain fart" or just doing something stupid without realizing it. Not as a condition...

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 02:06 PM

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"Derpy", in this case, is named after a particular expression that assumes mental retardation. It's the whole reason they named her that to begin with. "Derp" is used for more than just a sound or stupid action.
This is not at all my understanding of the word Derpy.

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But then, I guess I shouldn't bother because people will just tell me that particular definition is fake and invalid.
You predicting this criticism does not make it any less valid.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 02:31 PM

People do bring up a valid point, why is this the only cartoon character getting treated like this and not the others with more screen time?
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 02:58 PM

In general, I'd welcome the creators just leaving fanon alone. Sometimes, when a series takes a fan joke or theory and makes it canon it can work. However, as soon as FiM gave even a hint of doing this the obsessed parts of the audience decided every little bit of fanon/fanfiction they created is canon by default. Bad enough as is but not helped by the number of half baked ideas it generated. In any other fanbase, you'd be laughed at/ignored if you tried to argue your fanwork was legitimate. FiM fans instead seem to think they're being added to the series bible as they plop them out and when the show DOES acknowledge them, it only feeds the ridiculous sense of entitlement.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:04 PM

QUOTE(HellCat @ Mar 4 2012, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In general, I'd welcome the creators just leaving fanon alone. Sometimes, when a series takes a fan joke or theory and makes it canon it can work. However, as soon as FiM gave even a hint of doing this the obsessed parts of the audience decided every little bit of fanon/fanfiction they created is canon by default. Bad enough as is but not helped by the number of half baked ideas it generated. In any other fanbase, you'd be laughed at/ignored if you tried to argue your fanwork was legitimate. FiM fans instead seem to think they're being added to the series bible as they plop them out and when the show DOES acknowledge them, it only feeds the ridiculous sense of entitlement.

If anyone really thinks that, they're even more delusional than you for thinking this is a common problem.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:13 PM

I've yet to encounter anyone who actually thinks that, so the phenomenon is probably ridiculously overstated.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 07:13 AM

QUOTE(Adam @ Mar 4 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(HellCat @ Mar 4 2012, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In general, I'd welcome the creators just leaving fanon alone. Sometimes, when a series takes a fan joke or theory and makes it canon it can work. However, as soon as FiM gave even a hint of doing this the obsessed parts of the audience decided every little bit of fanon/fanfiction they created is canon by default. Bad enough as is but not helped by the number of half baked ideas it generated. In any other fanbase, you'd be laughed at/ignored if you tried to argue your fanwork was legitimate. FiM fans instead seem to think they're being added to the series bible as they plop them out and when the show DOES acknowledge them, it only feeds the ridiculous sense of entitlement.

If anyone really thinks that, they're even more delusional than you for thinking this is a common problem.


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 07:19 AM

Actually HC I've always found you to be a head on straight kinda person.
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE(Kein @ Mar 5 2012, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Adam @ Mar 5 2012, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If anyone really thinks that, they're even more delusional than you for thinking this is a common problem.

Couldn't resist to reply: you must be new in MLP-fandom

Try to visit other parts of the fandom. More popular and frequent parts.

Or wait, better to do not, if you want to maintain your sanity

UPD: just encountered an example: http://www.reddit.co...hvd6/its_canon/
You find it funny and see it as a joke? That's right. But some people don't. They actually think it is reference to the fanon about Fluttershy being portrayed as Dovakhin. It sounds stupid, but that's the whole damn point.

I just read that Reddit thread-thingy, and no one is seriously saying "Dovahshy is Canon". You try to use this as an example of Fans deciding canon that doesn't actually exist, but your interpretation couldn't be more wrong. I feel just a little bit insulted that you'd expect anyone to take that as a serious example. You do realize that most things that declare "So and so is CANON" aren't serious declarations of fan belief, right?

Also, "You must be new here"? Really? When you're not wildly misinterpreting things, maybe you can condescend to us. And even then it's a jivey thing to do.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:30 AM

If nothing else, I would have hoped the fact the show ignored the fanon take on Luna would have been an eye opener to some. If you don't personally think there's a problem with this stuff fair enough. But don't call someone delusional when they've been around long enough to see fans actively arguing the fanon for this show somehow becomes canon because of a few nods to say thanks to the fans for being supportive.

The fact that people can be so defensive about a show about cartoon ponies staggers me.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:32 AM

Even shippers, arguably the hardest core of fanon subscribers, are usually joking when they say something like "OMG it's canon". No, it's not just "we see what they're saying as a joke" kind of joke, it's that they themselves actually mean it as a joke or are being facetious. Almost nobody thinks their fanon has a genuine place in the show; they just subscribe to those things they find enhance their own personal enjoyment. And personally, I don't give a flying feather one way or the other, as long as they're enjoying the bucking show.

QUOTE(Kein @ Mar 5 2012, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Boards /pony/, /dis/ and /srs/ on ponychan.net, Canterlot.com , EqD's comments regarding episode or fanfics - this is where you can find the examples of such... let's name things honestly - idiocy. But I'm not going to look for them myself, no sir, sorry. I've had enough of it.


It sounds like you've already looked for them.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 09:09 AM

It's the ones who aren't joking that personally I'm complaining about. I make bad jokes myself all the time; I'd like to think I can tell when others are doing likewise.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 09:58 AM

QUOTE(Kein @ Mar 5 2012, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Adam @ Mar 5 2012, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If anyone really thinks that, they're even more delusional than you for thinking this is a common problem.

Couldn't resist to reply: you must be new in MLP-fandom
Not ... really at all.

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Try to visit other parts of the fandom. More popular and frequent parts.
I don't really want to delve into the depths of fanfiction writers and rule 34 artists but from where I'm standing, this is not a problem.

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UPD: just encountered an example: http://www.reddit.co...hvd6/its_canon/
You find it funny and see it as a joke? That's right. But some people don't. They actually think it is reference to the fanon about Fluttershy being portrayed as Dovakhin. It sounds stupid, but that's the whole damn point.

So you point to something that's a joke, and reference other people that feel completely differently. Pretty bad point you're making here.

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If nothing else, I would have hoped the fact the show ignored the fanon take on Luna would have been an eye opener to some. If you don't personally think there's a problem with this stuff fair enough. But don't call someone delusional when they've been around long enough to see fans actively arguing the fanon for this show somehow becomes canon because of a few nods to say thanks to the fans for being supportive.
You're delusional because you are seeing something that's not there. How long you've been around isn't really relevant.

Edited by Adam, 05 March 2012 - 09:59 AM.


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:05 AM

I don't suppose I could get a list of what else you think is delusional or should I just get myself admitted to the local psychiatric ward? I mean I obviously can't trust my own memories or experience to form opinions from.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE(Kein @ Mar 5 2012, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Couldn't resist to reply: you must be new in MLP-fandom

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QUOTE(HellCat @ Mar 5 2012, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't suppose I could get a list of what else you think is delusional or should I just get myself admitted to the local psychiatric ward? I mean I obviously can't trust my own memories or experience to form opinions from.

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