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@  ShadowMan024 : (07 December 2016 - 12:35 AM)

BOOOOOOO YAAAAAAA-HA-HAAAAAAAAH!

@  ShadowMan024 : (07 December 2016 - 12:35 AM)

Bring it on.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (07 December 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Most likely.

@  ShadowMan024 : (07 December 2016 - 12:20 AM)

Sharp rocks at the bottom?

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 11:28 PM)

No no I did see it. The "yep" follows the waterfall.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (06 December 2016 - 11:19 PM)

BlackMax.. You've never seen Emperor's New Groove? Stop whatever your doing and go watch it.. And while not nearly as good.. Watch Krunk's new groove as well!

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 11:00 PM)

Yep.

@  ShadowMan024 : (06 December 2016 - 09:44 PM)

Don't tell me. We're about to go over a huge waterfall.

@  Locoman : (06 December 2016 - 09:39 PM)

Well, you got me. By all accounts, it doesn't make sense.

@  ShadowMan024 : (06 December 2016 - 09:39 PM)

Why does she even HAVE that lever?

@  ShadowMan024 : (06 December 2016 - 09:38 PM)

WRONG LEVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

@  MEDdMI : (06 December 2016 - 09:37 PM)

Pull the lever, Krunk!

@  ShadowMan024 : (06 December 2016 - 09:33 PM)

The Emperor's New Groove.

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 09:33 PM)

I didn't understand that reference.

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 09:32 PM)

I...

@  ShadowMan024 : (06 December 2016 - 09:32 PM)

I love that movie.

@  ShadowMan024 : (06 December 2016 - 09:02 PM)

AHAHAHAHA! IT'S DINNERTIME! *thunder crashes*

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (06 December 2016 - 08:00 PM)

+1 for Locoman!

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 07:14 PM)

Give each of them an Armada Sideswipe.

@  Locoman : (06 December 2016 - 06:45 PM)

Turn them into fleas, harmless, little fleas, and then put that flea in a box, and then put that box inside of another box, and then mail that box to yourself, and when it arrives... SMASH IT WITH A HAMMER!

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 December 2016 - 06:13 PM)

Load them into cannons, load the cannons into bigger cannons, launch the cannons into orbit, then launch them back down into the Marianas Trench.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (06 December 2016 - 06:12 PM)

Load them both into cannons and fire them into orbit.

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 05:19 PM)

We'll load Trump into the cannon and shoot ~him at~ Bieber. Problem solved.

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 December 2016 - 04:08 PM)

Oh yeah, like I had enough left over for a safety net after buying the cannon. I work retail here!

@  Telly : (06 December 2016 - 03:12 PM)

so long as theres a safety net i can land in sure!

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 December 2016 - 03:09 PM)

Hey man, I didn't get this comically large cannon to NOT shoot somebody out ot it. So unless you're volunteering to take his place.....

@  Telly : (06 December 2016 - 03:02 PM)

cant we just shoot him, full stop??

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 December 2016 - 03:01 PM)

Can't we just like, shoot him out of a comically large cannon or something?

@  Paladin : (06 December 2016 - 02:59 PM)

first you agree to throw Justin Bieber out into the cold & let him freeze to death...

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 02:14 PM)

Say, give us all the Tim Horton's and about 700 kilos of Coffee Crisps and we'll take all the cold. How about it?

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 02:13 PM)

Well hey, let's not be hasty. Canada and the US are allies, we're all friends here on this board, maybe we can negotiate.

@  Telly : (06 December 2016 - 02:11 PM)

just tryin to save you some misery mate :)

@  BlackMax : (06 December 2016 - 04:37 AM)

Well not any more I'm not.:(

@  Telly : (05 December 2016 - 07:59 PM)

@blackmax-cold leads to snow. snow leads to delayed shipments. delayed shipments lead to a paranoid blackmax. are you SURE you want the cold??

@  BlackMax : (05 December 2016 - 06:41 PM)

:D

@  LBD "Nyt... : (05 December 2016 - 06:24 PM)

...TAKE IT!

@  LBD "Nyt... : (05 December 2016 - 06:24 PM)

Then make like Bart Simpson and just take it! Take it take it take it take it!

@  BlackMax : (05 December 2016 - 06:18 PM)

..............I ~might~ want all the cold.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (05 December 2016 - 06:17 PM)

Trust me, you're not getting ALL the cold. You don't want ALL the cold.

@  BlackMax : (05 December 2016 - 06:04 PM)

You guys in Canada have nice weather! I know it! You keep sending all the cold down here to Ohio to dump snow on us.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (05 December 2016 - 05:45 PM)

@Nevermore Wonko and I are in Canada. ;P

@  Robowang : (05 December 2016 - 09:58 AM)

Big random stuff sale just posted in BST - Boxed and loose G1, Japanese magazine exclusives, Botcon stuff, and more

@  Waspinator : (05 December 2016 - 07:03 AM)

LINER FORM

@  BlackMax : (05 December 2016 - 04:20 AM)

Momo, Ura, Kin, or Ryu? :D

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 December 2016 - 05:00 PM)

But with Tauros you don't really have to worry about cars. ;)

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2016 - 04:20 PM)

At least you don't have to clean up after a bike.

@  Bass X0 : (04 December 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Bicycles? That's old school. Riding a Tauros is the thing to do these days.

@  Nevermore : (04 December 2016 - 03:15 PM)

On a warm and sunny day, I could reach several dozen stores by bike.

@  Nevermore : (04 December 2016 - 03:14 PM)

Lots of small, medium-sized and large cities within a short travelling distance of each other, and decent infrastructure.

@  Nevermore : (04 December 2016 - 03:14 PM)

I guess that's the advantage of living in a decentralized major urban region.


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#21 Confuzor

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:16 AM

Energon Grimlock! Sigh.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:17 AM

Universe/Classics Octane is a fairly big failure in all modes. Much like Galvatron, it just needed to be bigger for the design to work properly. I don't think it's a case of the triple changer gimmick getting in the way, as Astrotrain doesn't really bother me as a deluxe.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:26 AM

Classics Pretenders -- Simplified, bad alt modes, small, Bumblebee has Cliffjumper's head.

PM Optimus Prime is arguably worse than the original -- no die-cast (originally), 'bubbly' looking cab robot with less 'sharp' detail, weird unnecessary 'backwards' cab transformation, weird arms-in-the-air base, trailer lacks cohesiveness. But... it did combine, so depending on how much you value that mode, it may not be 'worse' overall.

A lot of the new mold Robot Masters. I don't own any, but judging by what I've seen online, a lot of these were downgrades from the original toys, especially the Beast Wars ones. Convoy is awful too. The seeker mold was an improvement, but still not great.

All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...

Transmetal 2 Cheetor and Transmetal 2 Dinobot.

At the time, I thought TM Optimus Primal and TM Megatron were downgrades, as they were smaller and barely resembled their previous selves. Eventually, I came to appreciate them icon-hotrod.gif

Cybertron Unicron. Hard to one-up a toy that is 90% homage to a fan favorite character with a toy that takes a lot more liberties and is a lot smaller.

Energon Hotshot. Yuck.

All the G2 "Classics" Go-Bots.

G2 Power Master Ironhide. So very bad....

ROTF Voyager Starscream. An ugly mess--ugly tattoos, ugly arms, ugly everything. I'll take the first Voyager Starscream over this piece of crap any day...

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

My only gripe about PMOP is his legs and feet theres simply alot of wasted plastic there for some great details to be added even if it was only stickers used.. and the weak trailer hitch
TM2 Cheetor I give you but TM2 Dinobot is a really nice sculpt

Energon Hotshot is yuck
But Cyb one and the red recolor are pure win lest we not forget the over powered CDF Hotshot

G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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#25 Boltax

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


I'd call Supreme Air Attack Optimus Primal an upgrade. Ain't no other Optimus Primal tells me where the seeds of the future are to be found laying. (Although I do know this toy was only released in RiD, not Beast Machines proper.) I also think Night Attack Cheetor is a BIG improvement over not just his Beast Machines toys but ALL his Beast Wars toys too.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

BM Blackarachnia is a much better toy than the TM2. At least she can actually stand up under her own power without having to fiddle with balancing her backpack for half an hour.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 25 2012, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:00 PM

HA Icepick isn't very good compared to his PCC counterpart.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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#29 Kup

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Dante @ Feb 25 2012, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't an upgrade of the original

Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Edited by mignash, 25 February 2012 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 25 2012, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Except for her giant water-ski feet!



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#32 Fear or Courage

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE(Fear or Courage @ Feb 25 2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

Or PRID Bumblebee compared to FE Bumblebee?

Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.

Transmetal II Cheetor wasn't nearly as good as Transmetal Cheetor.

I would also say that Optimus Primal got progressively worse for several toys in a row; Ultra, Transmetal, Optimal, BM Deluxe.

#34 Boltax

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 25 2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.


I'd call it a lateral move. The original Bumblebee has some serious problems -- especially with being delicate and not standing up to play wear very well. Bumblebees with heads that won't stay up are a very common problem. Goldbug definitely has a less engaging transformation -- but he's WAY more robust and his extra gimmick is SERIOUS fun. I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 26 2012, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

I played with Bumblebee more, because while you could take Goldbug's car-trunk-hoodie off for battle damage, you could easily take off Bumblebee's feet and legs.

Battle damage potential was a big deal to me when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

I like the G1 vehicle modes better for most CHUGs, etc. I much prefer toys that are a pretty good match for actual vehicles rather than lawyer-safe, made-up vehicles (even though I understand the need for them). I like classic vehicles better than modern ones for the most part, anyway. You'd never see me buying the new Fairlady Z.

Plus there are characters who had their very own mold in G1/G2 but are just a repaint/remold in the modern era (even if the newer toy has better engineering). I understand the need for this as well, but I'm not going to start selling off my G1 collection after getting each "upgrade".

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:44 AM

Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:25 AM

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:57 AM

I... I suddenly want that Japanese BM Silverbolt.

I must have one.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 26 2012, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

That's not right.

Sure it is! Legends Prowl is awesome.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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