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@  Locoman : (31 May 2016 - 09:56 PM)

Tusks doesn't exist in aligned though. Or maybe he does, but in this continuity he needs someone else to work the controls, or maybe by "piano player" the narration implies that Maccadam literally IS the piano. The universe may never know.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (31 May 2016 - 09:55 PM)

Where in Aligned?

@  Plokatron : (31 May 2016 - 09:53 PM)

@Locoman Hmm that can't be right. The piano plays it's self. Thats Tusks not Maccadam. But yeah in Aligned he is Alchemist Prime from what I've read. Still not the G1 universes though so I'm going with the Blue Bar Keep bot as him in Primax Clusters unless I'm pointed out wrong. Edit: Oh AVP said that not just the Aligned continuity. Well I'll just go with the blue bot like I said but say thats how he looks in Primax clusters. Unless proven wrong of course.

@  Locoman : (31 May 2016 - 09:42 PM)

But he's described as having a beard, and Retribution takes place in the aligned continuity where things are weird, and AVP has basically established that he's Alchemist Prime, so...

@  Locoman : (31 May 2016 - 09:42 PM)

no, he's the piano player.

@  Plokatron : (31 May 2016 - 09:40 PM)

@Locoman Was that him then? Cause the wiki only shows the bar keep in Maccadam's entry.

@  Locoman : (31 May 2016 - 09:30 PM)

Maccadam shows up in Retribution! He talks and everything.

@  Plokatron : (31 May 2016 - 09:18 PM)

Question anyone know if the bar keep http://tfwiki.net/me...ams_destiny.jpg here is Maccadam? Or is he just the face of the joint and we still haven't seen Maccadam?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 May 2016 - 08:01 PM)

And now my Dia Battles order has processed and will ship Any. Hugging. Minute.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (31 May 2016 - 05:01 PM)

I know, I just thought it was an amusing coincidence.

@  Bass X0 : (31 May 2016 - 04:58 PM)

its easy to get shouts during the same minute.

@  Rycochet : (31 May 2016 - 04:55 PM)

Rob Lobclaw?

@  Foffy the Sheep : (31 May 2016 - 04:49 PM)

Wow, I didn't even see Bass's shout when I was typing up mine. It was some freak accident that ours were at almost the exact same time, I guess.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (31 May 2016 - 04:46 PM)

The Seacons should just replace Nautilator with a Lobclaw drone. It'd save 'em a lot of heartache.

@  Bass X0 : (31 May 2016 - 04:46 PM)

We spend a lot of our youth wishing we were older, and a lot of our time as adults wishing we were kids again.

@  ShadowMan024 : (31 May 2016 - 04:38 PM)

You still have Nautilator. YOU ALL STILL HAVE NAUTILATOR!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 May 2016 - 03:45 PM)

Release the Nautilator! No, really, release him, he sucks.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (31 May 2016 - 03:01 PM)

Feed them to the Gnawticas!

@  Bass X0 : (31 May 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Feed them to the sharkticons!

@  Foffy the Sheep : (31 May 2016 - 01:47 PM)

Or feed them to squirrels.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (31 May 2016 - 01:45 PM)

Put them in the collection box at the food bank instead.

@  ▲ndrusi : (31 May 2016 - 01:39 PM)

don't put your canned goods in the search box

@  Nutjob R/T : (31 May 2016 - 01:05 PM)

blurg i can the search box good

@  ShadowMan024 : (31 May 2016 - 01:00 PM)

magna

@  Nutjob R/T : (31 May 2016 - 12:59 PM)

pyra

@  Robowang : (31 May 2016 - 10:31 AM)

Oprah's couch has withstood many years of OPRAH. It can withstand ANYTHING.

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 May 2016 - 05:32 AM)

Oprah's couch has been reinforced by many years of smug. It can withstand great pressure.

@  Pennpenn : (31 May 2016 - 05:17 AM)

That just asks more questions about Oprah's couch, then.

@  unluckiness : (31 May 2016 - 04:43 AM)

Can it? Oprah's couch seems fine.

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 May 2016 - 04:42 AM)

Cruise's ego can crush planets. That counts, right?

@  Foffy the Sheep : (30 May 2016 - 07:38 PM)

Xenu is just Tom Cruise in a wig, though.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 May 2016 - 07:00 PM)

I'm pretty sure cruze just offers the planets to xenu, he doesn't actaull eat them himself.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (30 May 2016 - 06:57 PM)

And they both eat planets.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 May 2016 - 06:56 PM)

well, it was one or the other. I might have been confused because they both have huge heads.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (30 May 2016 - 06:35 PM)

I've never heard that before. Are you sure you're not thinking of Tom Cruise?

@  wonko the sane? : (30 May 2016 - 06:32 PM)

I thought galactus was supposed to appear differently depending on which species is looking at him?

@  Foffy the Sheep : (30 May 2016 - 04:55 PM)

Galactus isn't goofy-looking. His hat is the grandest of all hats!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (30 May 2016 - 12:58 PM)

And we run into something like the Galactus Fashion Conundrum. Are YOU going to be the one to go up to his face and tell him he's goofy-looking?

@  Foffy the Sheep : (30 May 2016 - 12:32 PM)

Maybe Miles's villains think you're lame!

@  unluckiness : (30 May 2016 - 11:07 AM)

I don't mind Miles but his villains are kinda lame.

@  Bass X0 : (30 May 2016 - 09:29 AM)

I just thankful they didn't have a black Peter Parker.

@  tffan01 : (30 May 2016 - 09:09 AM)

I would have preferred Peter Parker. But If they really wanted to make a non-Peter Parker lead, they could have made Spider-Man 2099, at least it has a gimmick (futurism). While Miles, imo isn't that different from Peter Parker.

@  Locoman : (30 May 2016 - 08:52 AM)

That would be cool. Ultimate Universe kind of went off the rails toward the end, but I always liked Miles.

@  tffan01 : (30 May 2016 - 08:25 AM)

http://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-new-animated-spider-man-movie-will-star-mil-1779201902

@  tffan01 : (30 May 2016 - 08:24 AM)

I heard new Spider-Man animated movie will feature Miles Morales.

@  unluckiness : (30 May 2016 - 03:43 AM)

A lot of mine have somehow gotten so floppy that floor polish doesn't help. May need superglue

@  Paladin : (29 May 2016 - 07:51 PM)

there remains an Omega Supreme-sized hole in my Animated collection that not even 3P wants to fill....

@  Nutjob R/T : (29 May 2016 - 07:23 PM)

Just pulled out the Animated box after a few years in storage. Giving it some time is the godhonest truth, these things are awesome

@  Touch My Thighs : (29 May 2016 - 07:12 PM)

http://swanh.net/ This is really impressive.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 May 2016 - 06:20 PM)

I keep having to say this to folks: fandoms are voluntary. Enjoy in any ratio or methodology that you choose.


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#21 Confuzor

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:16 AM

Energon Grimlock! Sigh.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:17 AM

Universe/Classics Octane is a fairly big failure in all modes. Much like Galvatron, it just needed to be bigger for the design to work properly. I don't think it's a case of the triple changer gimmick getting in the way, as Astrotrain doesn't really bother me as a deluxe.

#23 Might Gaine

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:26 AM

Classics Pretenders -- Simplified, bad alt modes, small, Bumblebee has Cliffjumper's head.

PM Optimus Prime is arguably worse than the original -- no die-cast (originally), 'bubbly' looking cab robot with less 'sharp' detail, weird unnecessary 'backwards' cab transformation, weird arms-in-the-air base, trailer lacks cohesiveness. But... it did combine, so depending on how much you value that mode, it may not be 'worse' overall.

A lot of the new mold Robot Masters. I don't own any, but judging by what I've seen online, a lot of these were downgrades from the original toys, especially the Beast Wars ones. Convoy is awful too. The seeker mold was an improvement, but still not great.

All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...

Transmetal 2 Cheetor and Transmetal 2 Dinobot.

At the time, I thought TM Optimus Primal and TM Megatron were downgrades, as they were smaller and barely resembled their previous selves. Eventually, I came to appreciate them icon-hotrod.gif

Cybertron Unicron. Hard to one-up a toy that is 90% homage to a fan favorite character with a toy that takes a lot more liberties and is a lot smaller.

Energon Hotshot. Yuck.

All the G2 "Classics" Go-Bots.

G2 Power Master Ironhide. So very bad....

ROTF Voyager Starscream. An ugly mess--ugly tattoos, ugly arms, ugly everything. I'll take the first Voyager Starscream over this piece of crap any day...

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

My only gripe about PMOP is his legs and feet theres simply alot of wasted plastic there for some great details to be added even if it was only stickers used.. and the weak trailer hitch
TM2 Cheetor I give you but TM2 Dinobot is a really nice sculpt

Energon Hotshot is yuck
But Cyb one and the red recolor are pure win lest we not forget the over powered CDF Hotshot

G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


I'd call Supreme Air Attack Optimus Primal an upgrade. Ain't no other Optimus Primal tells me where the seeds of the future are to be found laying. (Although I do know this toy was only released in RiD, not Beast Machines proper.) I also think Night Attack Cheetor is a BIG improvement over not just his Beast Machines toys but ALL his Beast Wars toys too.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

BM Blackarachnia is a much better toy than the TM2. At least she can actually stand up under her own power without having to fiddle with balancing her backpack for half an hour.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 25 2012, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:00 PM

HA Icepick isn't very good compared to his PCC counterpart.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Dante @ Feb 25 2012, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't an upgrade of the original

Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Edited by mignash, 25 February 2012 - 06:13 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 25 2012, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Except for her giant water-ski feet!



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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE(Fear or Courage @ Feb 25 2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

Or PRID Bumblebee compared to FE Bumblebee?

Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.

Transmetal II Cheetor wasn't nearly as good as Transmetal Cheetor.

I would also say that Optimus Primal got progressively worse for several toys in a row; Ultra, Transmetal, Optimal, BM Deluxe.

#34 Boltax

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 25 2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.


I'd call it a lateral move. The original Bumblebee has some serious problems -- especially with being delicate and not standing up to play wear very well. Bumblebees with heads that won't stay up are a very common problem. Goldbug definitely has a less engaging transformation -- but he's WAY more robust and his extra gimmick is SERIOUS fun. I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 26 2012, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

I played with Bumblebee more, because while you could take Goldbug's car-trunk-hoodie off for battle damage, you could easily take off Bumblebee's feet and legs.

Battle damage potential was a big deal to me when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

I like the G1 vehicle modes better for most CHUGs, etc. I much prefer toys that are a pretty good match for actual vehicles rather than lawyer-safe, made-up vehicles (even though I understand the need for them). I like classic vehicles better than modern ones for the most part, anyway. You'd never see me buying the new Fairlady Z.

Plus there are characters who had their very own mold in G1/G2 but are just a repaint/remold in the modern era (even if the newer toy has better engineering). I understand the need for this as well, but I'm not going to start selling off my G1 collection after getting each "upgrade".

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:44 AM

Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:25 AM

Guido has managed to not only redeem the Classic Pretender Legends figures, but make me actively miss the ones I had.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:57 AM

I... I suddenly want that Japanese BM Silverbolt.

I must have one.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 26 2012, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

That's not right.

Sure it is! Legends Prowl is awesome.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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