Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:17 AM
Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:26 AM
PM Optimus Prime is arguably worse than the original -- no die-cast (originally), 'bubbly' looking cab robot with less 'sharp' detail, weird unnecessary 'backwards' cab transformation, weird arms-in-the-air base, trailer lacks cohesiveness. But... it did combine, so depending on how much you value that mode, it may not be 'worse' overall.
A lot of the new mold Robot Masters. I don't own any, but judging by what I've seen online, a lot of these were downgrades from the original toys, especially the Beast Wars ones. Convoy is awful too. The seeker mold was an improvement, but still not great.
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...
Transmetal 2 Cheetor and Transmetal 2 Dinobot.
At the time, I thought TM Optimus Primal and TM Megatron were downgrades, as they were smaller and barely resembled their previous selves. Eventually, I came to appreciate them
Cybertron Unicron. Hard to one-up a toy that is 90% homage to a fan favorite character with a toy that takes a lot more liberties and is a lot smaller.
Energon Hotshot. Yuck.
All the G2 "Classics" Go-Bots.
G2 Power Master Ironhide. So very bad....
ROTF Voyager Starscream. An ugly mess--ugly tattoos, ugly arms, ugly everything. I'll take the first Voyager Starscream over this piece of crap any day...
Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM
TM2 Cheetor I give you but TM2 Dinobot is a really nice sculpt
Energon Hotshot is yuck
But Cyb one and the red recolor are pure win lest we not forget the over powered CDF Hotshot
G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is
Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:47 AM
I'd call Supreme Air Attack Optimus Primal an upgrade. Ain't no other Optimus Primal tells me where the seeds of the future are to be found laying. (Although I do know this toy was only released in RiD, not Beast Machines proper.) I also think Night Attack Cheetor is a BIG improvement over not just his Beast Machines toys but ALL his Beast Wars toys too.
(I'm sure there's others.)
Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:00 PM
Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:01 PM
Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.
Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:12 PM
Edited by mignash, 25 February 2012 - 06:13 PM.
Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:26 PM
Except for her giant water-ski feet!
Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:42 PM
Or PRID Bumblebee compared to FE Bumblebee?
Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.
Transmetal II Cheetor wasn't nearly as good as Transmetal Cheetor.
I would also say that Optimus Primal got progressively worse for several toys in a row; Ultra, Transmetal, Optimal, BM Deluxe.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:51 AM
I'd call it a lateral move. The original Bumblebee has some serious problems -- especially with being delicate and not standing up to play wear very well. Bumblebees with heads that won't stay up are a very common problem. Goldbug definitely has a less engaging transformation -- but he's WAY more robust and his extra gimmick is SERIOUS fun. I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.
Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:57 AM
I played with Bumblebee more, because while you could take Goldbug's car-trunk-hoodie off for battle damage, you could easily take off Bumblebee's feet and legs.
Battle damage potential was a big deal to me when I was a kid.
(On topic: Mirage is not better than Tidal Wave.)
Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 AM
Plus there are characters who had their very own mold in G1/G2 but are just a repaint/remold in the modern era (even if the newer toy has better engineering). I understand the need for this as well, but I'm not going to start selling off my G1 collection after getting each "upgrade".
Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:02 AM
The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.
That's not right.
Sure it is! Legends Prowl is awesome.