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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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#21 Confuzor

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:16 AM

Energon Grimlock! Sigh.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:17 AM

Universe/Classics Octane is a fairly big failure in all modes. Much like Galvatron, it just needed to be bigger for the design to work properly. I don't think it's a case of the triple changer gimmick getting in the way, as Astrotrain doesn't really bother me as a deluxe.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:26 AM

Classics Pretenders -- Simplified, bad alt modes, small, Bumblebee has Cliffjumper's head.

PM Optimus Prime is arguably worse than the original -- no die-cast (originally), 'bubbly' looking cab robot with less 'sharp' detail, weird unnecessary 'backwards' cab transformation, weird arms-in-the-air base, trailer lacks cohesiveness. But... it did combine, so depending on how much you value that mode, it may not be 'worse' overall.

A lot of the new mold Robot Masters. I don't own any, but judging by what I've seen online, a lot of these were downgrades from the original toys, especially the Beast Wars ones. Convoy is awful too. The seeker mold was an improvement, but still not great.

All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...

Transmetal 2 Cheetor and Transmetal 2 Dinobot.

At the time, I thought TM Optimus Primal and TM Megatron were downgrades, as they were smaller and barely resembled their previous selves. Eventually, I came to appreciate them icon-hotrod.gif

Cybertron Unicron. Hard to one-up a toy that is 90% homage to a fan favorite character with a toy that takes a lot more liberties and is a lot smaller.

Energon Hotshot. Yuck.

All the G2 "Classics" Go-Bots.

G2 Power Master Ironhide. So very bad....

ROTF Voyager Starscream. An ugly mess--ugly tattoos, ugly arms, ugly everything. I'll take the first Voyager Starscream over this piece of crap any day...

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

My only gripe about PMOP is his legs and feet theres simply alot of wasted plastic there for some great details to be added even if it was only stickers used.. and the weak trailer hitch
TM2 Cheetor I give you but TM2 Dinobot is a really nice sculpt

Energon Hotshot is yuck
But Cyb one and the red recolor are pure win lest we not forget the over powered CDF Hotshot

G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:47 AM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


I'd call Supreme Air Attack Optimus Primal an upgrade. Ain't no other Optimus Primal tells me where the seeds of the future are to be found laying. (Although I do know this toy was only released in RiD, not Beast Machines proper.) I also think Night Attack Cheetor is a BIG improvement over not just his Beast Machines toys but ALL his Beast Wars toys too.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

BM Blackarachnia is a much better toy than the TM2. At least she can actually stand up under her own power without having to fiddle with balancing her backpack for half an hour.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 25 2012, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Power Master Ironhide----I have no idea who that is

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:00 PM

HA Icepick isn't very good compared to his PCC counterpart.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE(Dante @ Feb 25 2012, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't an upgrade of the original

Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:12 PM

QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Edited by mignash, 25 February 2012 - 06:13 PM.


#31 Shockwave 75

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:26 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 25 2012, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Might Gaine @ Feb 25 2012, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All the Beast Machines toys that are updates of Beast Wars characters were worse than the originals. I don't think there are any exceptions...


Maybe Blackarachnia.

Except for her giant water-ski feet!



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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE(Fear or Courage @ Feb 25 2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too soon to say PRID Prime versus F.E Prime?

Or PRID Bumblebee compared to FE Bumblebee?

Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.

Transmetal II Cheetor wasn't nearly as good as Transmetal Cheetor.

I would also say that Optimus Primal got progressively worse for several toys in a row; Ultra, Transmetal, Optimal, BM Deluxe.

#34 Boltax

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 25 2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Going back to G1, what about Goldbug? The original Bumblebee was better.


I'd call it a lateral move. The original Bumblebee has some serious problems -- especially with being delicate and not standing up to play wear very well. Bumblebees with heads that won't stay up are a very common problem. Goldbug definitely has a less engaging transformation -- but he's WAY more robust and his extra gimmick is SERIOUS fun. I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:57 AM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 26 2012, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I played with Goldbug *WAY* more than with Bumblebee when I was a kid.

I played with Bumblebee more, because while you could take Goldbug's car-trunk-hoodie off for battle damage, you could easily take off Bumblebee's feet and legs.

Battle damage potential was a big deal to me when I was a kid.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

I like the G1 vehicle modes better for most CHUGs, etc. I much prefer toys that are a pretty good match for actual vehicles rather than lawyer-safe, made-up vehicles (even though I understand the need for them). I like classic vehicles better than modern ones for the most part, anyway. You'd never see me buying the new Fairlady Z.

Plus there are characters who had their very own mold in G1/G2 but are just a repaint/remold in the modern era (even if the newer toy has better engineering). I understand the need for this as well, but I'm not going to start selling off my G1 collection after getting each "upgrade".

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:44 AM

Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:25 AM

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:57 AM

I... I suddenly want that Japanese BM Silverbolt.

I must have one.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

QUOTE(Cat @ Feb 26 2012, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe 2.0 Prowl.

The Legends version kicks the crap out of it.

That's not right.

Sure it is! Legends Prowl is awesome.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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