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@  Plokatron : (05 February 2016 - 11:46 PM)

@Dracula Hey the crab is cool too but this DNA monster is giving them both a bad name.

@  Plokatron : (05 February 2016 - 11:07 PM)

Got my copy of the Allspark Almanac. Time to go waste time some more! Hope my copy of HoS get here next week. Trainsformers! More steam to meet your eye!!! No no don't look directly into the cylinders!!!! You fool!!!

@  Paladin : (05 February 2016 - 04:58 PM)

today's time-waster https://frinkiac.com/?p=search

@  Dracula : (05 February 2016 - 08:47 AM)

I like Cancer in Masterforce. Otherwise it's the worst and I don't understand how it keeps getting cast in everything

@  Plokatron : (05 February 2016 - 02:34 AM)

No Cancer is Disgraceful, Disgusting and Despicable! Blasted genetic abnormality thinking it owns the place. I worry for any who have it this year. 2016 looks to be a bad year for cancer sufferers.

@  Smokey : (05 February 2016 - 01:34 AM)

You're dethhhhpicable, 2016.

@  Paladin : (04 February 2016 - 07:49 AM)

http://www.newsfromme.com/2016/02/03/joe-alaskey-r-p/?utm_content=buffere1d3c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer RIP Plucky. :(

@  Whirl Maximus : (04 February 2016 - 07:04 AM)

Aurora Borealis at this time of year, at this time of day, the phenomenon localized entirely in this comment.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 February 2016 - 02:11 AM)

l-lewd

@  Plokatron : (04 February 2016 - 01:44 AM)

Bang! Watch out for any unidentified P.O.K.E triggers.

@  Boomhauer : (03 February 2016 - 06:40 PM)

Aah, the universal greeting! Ooo Eee Ooo Aa Aa Ting Tang Wala Wala Bing!

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 February 2016 - 06:05 PM)

My mother's a what?! GET OUT!

@  Plokatron : (03 February 2016 - 04:44 PM)

goo goo ga ga bagah na slaguh

@  BillBarclay : (03 February 2016 - 12:41 PM)

in that case! it's a very good composition of comments.....coming from a 9 month old

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 February 2016 - 11:07 AM)

Wouldn't the day of conception have been nine months ago?

@  BillBarclay : (03 February 2016 - 10:34 AM)

oh......& happy day of conception

@  BillBarclay : (03 February 2016 - 10:33 AM)

-> -> -> -> -> -> ->

@  Plokatron : (03 February 2016 - 01:32 AM)

Can anyone point me to the wiki topic on what is under animated transformers helmets? I know I saw it a few weeks back. Also it is my birthday! So my wish for the forums is "Everyone take care and be safe" I think that's a reasonable request em?

@  Plokatron : (02 February 2016 - 06:12 PM)

Also I got my new Pc at last.

@  Plokatron : (02 February 2016 - 06:12 PM)

I still have it. Not letting it go.

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 February 2016 - 05:55 PM)

I had it at one point. Then I went to public school and it got misplaced.

@  LioConvoy : (02 February 2016 - 05:29 PM)

You can't ask what happened to something that never existed.

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 February 2016 - 03:05 PM)

Oh, so that's what happened to my faith in humanity.

@  ▲ndrusi : (02 February 2016 - 12:53 PM)

I'm always dealing with stuff that stinks and is past the end of its life

@  lastmaximal : (02 February 2016 - 08:28 AM)

"Boy, glad I'm not him!" does sound like a familiar refrain for the workplace.

@  Paladin : (02 February 2016 - 07:48 AM)

nothing sets the tone for a work day like driving past a dead skunk at 7am...

@  Plokatron : (01 February 2016 - 06:07 PM)

Anyway I just ordered a copy of Allspark Almanac and the HoS graphic novel. Can't wait to see da trainsformers!

@  Plokatron : (01 February 2016 - 06:06 PM)

Very true.

@  Smokey : (01 February 2016 - 06:06 PM)

Also rat slime.

@  Plokatron : (01 February 2016 - 06:06 PM)

Yes but not Ghost slime. Just human and Bug slime.

@  Smokey : (01 February 2016 - 06:03 PM)

It doesn't matter what color slime NYC has, it's still been covered in slime for its entire existence.

@  Plokatron : (01 February 2016 - 03:05 PM)

Not to mention the series is getting a reboot this year. In July so none of that junk counts.

@  Plokatron : (01 February 2016 - 02:32 PM)

Not that kind of slime!!! Has New York ever been pink?! No that city has so much brown that it makes COD look bright and colorful.

@  Smokey : (01 February 2016 - 02:27 PM)

New York's ALWAYS been covered with slime.

@  Plokatron : (01 February 2016 - 02:21 PM)

Also since New York wasn't covered in slime back in 89 it's quite moot isn't it?

@  Plokatron : (01 February 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Stupid ideas that I can't understand why we keep bring it up. Are we humans just that desperate to panic ourselves?

@  Smokey : (01 February 2016 - 12:51 PM)

Gamera is really neat! Gamera is filled with meat! We'll be eating Gamera!

@  BillBarclay : (01 February 2016 - 11:28 AM)

mind you that Lego Firehouse looks awesome

@  bigbot69 : (01 February 2016 - 10:50 AM)

Someone's gotta go down there

@  DeltaSeeker : (01 February 2016 - 09:56 AM)

Valentines Day. Bummer.

@  BillBarclay : (01 February 2016 - 09:45 AM)

i do.....Vigo! you are like the buzzing of flies to him!

@  wonko the sane? : (01 February 2016 - 09:44 AM)

Nope! But in fairness, I was pretty drunk at the time.

@  Paladin : (01 February 2016 - 09:44 AM)

...does NOBODY remember "Ghostbusters 2?!"

@  wonko the sane? : (01 February 2016 - 09:42 AM)

Oh, yeah, the primaries. Yup, that's a thing that's happening. But it won't end the world till new shmuck is elected, and even then it depends on who.

@  Touch My Thighs : (01 February 2016 - 09:41 AM)

Looks like that American preliminary election thing is happening. I don't really get it, something about Iowa and Couscous.

@  MEDdMI : (01 February 2016 - 08:07 AM)

what, again?

@  Paladin : (01 February 2016 - 07:57 AM)

only 13 days left before the world ends...

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 February 2016 - 02:47 AM)

It gets ten thousand hours to the soul.

@  Boomhauer : (31 January 2016 - 09:28 PM)

It runs on uranium.

@  Nutjob R/T : (31 January 2016 - 01:14 PM)

Right, anybody got the old NECA Big Daddy Bouncer with the LED eyes? Anybody know the battery size needed?


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#1 mignash

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:02 PM

In talk about Hall of Fame nominees recently I saw some people comment on Beast Machines Silverbolt being a worse toy that the Beast Wars one. I wouldn't argue that either, as I like the Beast Wars (and his Universe recolor" much better than the rainbow chickenhawk.

This got me thinking, what are the biggest failures in releasing "upgrades" existing characters? One that came to mind for me was Armada Thundercracker and Skywarp. The Cybertron toys were such disappointments. What comes to your mind?

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Feb 24 2012, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In talk about Hall of Fame nominees recently I saw some people comment on Beast Machines Silverbolt being a worse toy that the Beast Wars one. I wouldn't argue that either, as I like the Beast Wars (and his Universe recolor" much better than the rainbow chickenhawk.

This got me thinking, what are the biggest failures in releasing "upgrades" existing characters? One that came to mind for me was Armada Thundercracker and Skywarp. The Cybertron toys were such disappointments. What comes to your mind?


As Silverbolt is my favorite BW/BM next to Rhinox, I always hated the BM toy as it was not a fitting update for the birddog and was happy when repaint of the original toy in his techno-organic color scheme showed up.

As for other upgrades gone bad, I would say Cheetor from the Universe line and Rattrap from the BM line. Seems like Maximal toys didn't measure up once BM started.

Edited by Exillion, 24 February 2012 - 11:47 PM.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:21 AM

Armada -> Universe Hot Shot? I like the updated version somewhat, but it's hard to argue that we went from a slightly-immobile, but solidly-playable toy to a highly articulated, but floppy figure with clearance issues in his back kibble and a Mini-Con that can no longer stand on its own. icon-op.gif

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

Universe Cheetor and Universe Dinobot are both lesser "upgrades" they do some things 'better', than their original toys -- but one vitally important part is missing... any sense of fun or enjoyment. They're just not fun to play with.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:21 AM

Most of the figures I really wanted to like from Universe (Galvatron, Cheetor, Hot Shot, Dinobot) were pretty awful.

Also, there's the whole deal of Leader Bulkhead, while being a fun toy, just wasn't as fun for me as the Voyager version.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:31 AM

Universe & Classics have quite a few IMO: Galvatron, Grimlock, Cheetor, Dinobot, Tracks.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:33 AM

Universe Cheetor definitely.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:34 AM

QUOTE(Kup @ Feb 25 2012, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe & Classics have quite a few IMO: Galvatron, Grimlock, Cheetor, Dinobot, Tracks.

I never bought Tracks, but that mold was perfect as Wheeljack icon-ironhide.gif

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:51 AM

Definitely Universe Cheetor. I never had original Galvatron, but it's pretty obvious the Universe one is full of fail even without having the original.
Universe Hot shot comes close to being better, but does have some issues. Jolt, on the other hand, has clearly become much worse.

I do like Universe Dinobot better. Those switchable hands... I guess it helps that I never cared for the original mold all that much.

If we can count characters from one movie to the next, Voyager Ironhides.... I didn't think the DOTM was as good as the old mold.

Battle in a Box Prime doesn't seem as good to me as the original toy. And without his trailer, Powermaster Prime isn't anywhere near as good as the original.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:07 AM

Classics Galvatron So bad I had to own it twice to make sure it was really bad
I hope one day they retry him in a movie accrate way

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 08:55 AM

QUOTE(Spin Out @ Feb 25 2012, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Kup @ Feb 25 2012, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Universe & Classics have quite a few IMO: Galvatron, Grimlock, Cheetor, Dinobot, Tracks.

I never bought Tracks, but that mold was perfect as Wheeljack icon-ironhide.gif


Exactly. Besides the head and bring blue, it wasn't a good tracks. But as Jackie? Perfection.

Also: Blurr
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:37 AM

I think I want to add some of the Action Masters to this list. I'm not going to trash ALL the Action Masters -- a lot of people really like them. But I think there's TWO Action Masters in particular who are a SERIOUS downgrade from the original toys.

Blaster and Soundwave.

While there's a definite compensation with, say, Snarl, because he comes with Tyrannitron... it's just not the case with Soundwave and Blaster! Those two already *HAD* little partner robots, and their little partner robots were actually way better than the Action Master partners. I really do think Blaster and Soundwave were massively downgraded thanks to Nucleon.

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(On the other hand, Action Master Thundercracker? Massive upgrade. Action Master Starscream is... kind of a lateral move from the Pretender.)

Edited by Boltax, 25 February 2012 - 09:37 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:42 AM

Oh, I also want to add the original Legends figures -- the Pretender Classics that were repackaged without their Pretender shells. While Starscream and Bumblebee were definite upgrades, Grimlock and Jazz were DEFINITELY downgrades.

That said, add the Pretender Shells and there's no doubting that the Pretender Classics are way better than the originals. It's just those ones where they released them WITHOUT their shells that I take issue with. That's insane.

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(Also... I don't know that even with his Pretender shell that Grimlock is an improvement. As much as I like the Pretender play pattern, the original Grimlock is just a really appealing toy.)

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:45 AM

I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:56 AM

Classics Jetfire is a lateral move from the original Bandai toy at best.

Arm articulation aside, I feel that RtS Jazz is inferior to Binaltech Meister both in terms of engineering and sculpting.

RtS G2 Prime is vastly inferior to Laser Optimus in every conceivable way, and doesn't even have an excuse for the one flaw both share (colors) since he's not gang molded with a huge trailer.

Rodimus Prime is a pretty lame toy compared to Hot Rod.

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Well, sure. But it's perhaps no better than the Binaltech version, and arguably worse.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:33 AM

BM Rattrap is by far my favorite Rattrap toy. I really wish we'd ever gotten a redeco of it, maybe as someone a little more feral.

The Ravage that came with Universe Hound is worse at everything than the G1 Ravage toy except for "being three-dimensional", and has a ridculous bird head to boot.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:38 AM

I kind of want to say Energon Rodimus, just because of the weird proportions so it can be a pair of pants. I know some people really like the mold, and while I don't regard it strictly as an upgrade failure, I don't at all see it as an upgrade success. Energon Prowl kind of qualifies for the same reason, although that's not as obvious an upgrade attempt that pushes the G1 buttons like Rodimus does.

As has been mentioned, Classics Galvatron definitely qualifies. I like the figure, but it's definitely a failure at delivering what it promises. Way too complicated transformation that's made worse by it being at a deluxe scale, and which also really kills the aesthetics and leg articulation. I keep hoping we'll get a G1 toon Galvatron recolor of the smaller Energon Megatron mold.

Blurr isn't so much an upgrade failure as it's a non-G1 Blurr. I see what they were trying to do, and I think they accomplished it, but there's still a hole in my G1 movie cast.

Also, Classics Powerglide.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:45 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.


Except he doesn't, he looks like some chunky body builder when compared to his original slender frame. He's boxy and ugly, maybe if the roof didn't take up 150% of his chest he might look better.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE(Database @ Feb 25 2012, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.


Except he doesn't, he looks like some chunky body builder when compared to his original slender frame. He's boxy and ugly, maybe if the roof didn't take up 150% of his chest he might look better.


He is boxier, that's for sure. However, I still don't consider him at all to be an "upgrade failure."


I also think he's a better toy than the alternator. The alt had the fake chest and was awful at dealing with kibble. I mean, I still like the mold (especially the Ravage version), but I almost wish they had gone back and put the Tracks head on a blue version of Alt. Sideswipe. Yeah, his leg movement might be crippled, but he's not a car explosion when viewed from the back.

Also, I prefer Animated leader Bulkhead to the voyager. It's a great toy.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:06 AM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Database @ Feb 25 2012, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 25 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I fail to see how RtS Tracks isn't un upgrade of the original. He looks just like the G1, but now has articulation and storage for weapons. I think the only weak part might be the flying car mode.


Except he doesn't, he looks like some chunky body builder when compared to his original slender frame. He's boxy and ugly, maybe if the roof didn't take up 150% of his chest he might look better.


He is boxier, that's for sure. However, I still don't consider him at all to be an "upgrade failure."


I also think he's a better toy than the alternator. The alt had the fake chest and was awful at dealing with kibble. I mean, I still like the mold (especially the Ravage version), but I almost wish they had gone back and put the Tracks head on a blue version of Alt. Sideswipe. Yeah, his leg movement might be crippled, but he's not a car explosion when viewed from the back.

Also, I prefer Animated leader Bulkhead to the voyager. It's a great toy.


I prefer the Alt for the fake chest, becuase it keeps his lithe athletic look. If he wasn't larger then most voyagers he'd be my preferred version.

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