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@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 01:16 PM)

Your spouse's brother is a PRIEST. If you were supposed to get hit by lightning, it would've happened by now.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Now I want to make devil's food cake with holy water just to see if I get hit by lightning or something.

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 10:10 AM)

I hope not. Ruins the flavour.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 09:09 AM)

Did I put garlic or holy water in it or something?

@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.


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#1 Bass X0

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:06 PM

For the purpose of this topic, I'll call "bad" a toy that the fandom in general thinks of as bad even if you don't personally, since this is about bad toys you actually like.



I like the late eighties toys. Those were my years. In particular, the Triggerbots and Triggercons. Plastic bricks they may be with limited articulation but I don't care - the nostalgia towards picking five out of the six up while on vacation that summer overcomes that. It was the card art that brought them to life for me. Crankcase, Backstreet and Windsweeper being my favorites. Don't think I ever did get Dogfight.

I'm also drawn towards Quickswitch. Sixshot never appearing in England, Quickswitch was my first six-changer. I just found him so versatile at the time despite his lack of articulation. He was the swiss army knife of Transformers.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:09 PM

To all those who consider the Energon Powerlinx Deluxes/Voyagers "bad toys", I say "screw you" icon-waspy.gif.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:09 PM

I always liked Armada Hot Shot.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:21 PM

I've got soft spots for the Throttlebots and Beast Machines Maximals myself.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:29 PM

i never understood the hate for the armada sideswipe mold. was it amazing? no. was it some abomonation which should be hidden away forever? no. i think it's a neat figure, which is why i have so many versions of it plus a custom one

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:29 PM

Armada Sideswipe, since I bought the testshot figure to get out early pictures of it - and my version has a bitching lightning deco pattern on the side that didn't make it to the final product.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:31 PM

Another vote for Armada Sideswipe. Really, he's no worse than a typical G1 toy.

Cybertron Soundwave too. I've never had the problem some people report with his legs buckling, and his alt-mode's not supposed to be a convincing Earth form anyway, so the legs being visible in fighter mode don't bug me. Plus, with a little imagination, his right arm-kibble becomes a Gundam-style buster shield. . .

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:35 PM

Cybertron Overhaul is a pretty crap toy, but I dunno, I just like it.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:56 PM

I also really liked Armada Smokescreen and not just for Liftor.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:05 PM

Well... I really like all the Classics figures, even the Seeker molds and Ratchet/Ironhide, despite how much some people seem to hate them these days.

I, uh, honestly never really pay much attention to how much other people like my favorites.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:10 PM

I love Break dearly. I know he doesn't transform so much as curl up inside a shell, and I know half of his mass is in one arm. But he is a penguin and also has a great robot color scheme, so he is glorious.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Apparently Armada Sideswipe has a lot of fans, as I like the character and the toy. I am looking forward to his Shattered Glass counterpart as a replacement though.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:26 PM


I LOVE the Jumpstarters. Love Them.

-ZacWilliam, also loves the Pretenders. Every single one.

And NO I don't consider either groups bad toys in any way, but I know there are folks who do, so...
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:46 AM

It seems like a sizable portion of the fandom considers the Energon combiners to be "bad toys", but I really like them. I don't think combiners are meant to be entirely about their combined modes; they're okay deluxes and great basics that can also combine.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:58 AM

I have a great fondness for a lot of toys OTHER people dislike. But I'd never call them BAD toys.

The only toy I personally consider BAD which I still have a strange affection for is Supreme Cheetor. As much as I feel like this is an actual terrible toy -- one I would never buy for someone else -- I've never really regretted owning him, and as much as he frustrates me at times, I still like the thing. Can't really put my finger on why.

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(There's a big difference between, "Actually bad" and "Doesn't fit stupid expectations" CF: Armada Hot Shot, Armada Megatron, Armada Sideswipe -- all GREAT toys that people rag on because they have stupid, unreasonable expectations.)

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:01 AM

RiD Mega Octane.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:16 AM

Do the Prentender cars Gunrunner Roadgrabber count as bad?
Because I have a lot of love for thoses two

Jumpstarters who hates Jumpstarters?


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:16 AM

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It was the card art that brought them to life for me.


I always thought it was interesting how the art on the boxes made it look like the figures were bending in ways they were never meant to, even if they did have more articulation for it.

Anyway, Jumpstarters. Twin Twist was my first Transformer, and I hope to get him again someday, as well as his brother.

And put me down for the "not actually BAD" group.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 03:23 AM

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(There's a big difference between, "Actually bad" and "Doesn't fit stupid expectations" CF: Armada Hot Shot, Armada Megatron, Armada Sideswipe -- all GREAT toys that people rag on because they have stupid, unreasonable expectations.)


Knees are an unreasonable expectation? icon-arcee.gif

That said, I absolutely love Armada. Outside of the Minicons and Lucky Draw I have every single remold/recolor they did with those molds.

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