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@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.


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#1 Megaplex Prime

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:32 PM

I don't want to talk about availability or distribution too much here if at all, as I'm pretty sure it makes anyone who wants Prime toys in the US want to go on a murder spree (or at least me icon-waspy.gif), so I'm just gonna talk about the quality of the toys.

Have you been pleasantly surprised by any of your recent Prime purchases (if you have any)? I have!

Legion Cliffjumper: TINY GOD. I've never had a tiny god; but now I know the joys! Only Legion/Legend class toy with elbow AND knee articulation. icon-silverbolt.gif

Wheeljack: friggin AMAZING. Shoulders kinda hinder movement, but otherwise pure love.

FE Bulkhead: Wow. Pure WOW.

Soundwave: the Perfect Transformer. I've never said that about ANY TF I've EVER owned. But I believe Soundwave to be it. If he had lightpiping, it would have been more perfecter, but otherwise, PERFECT. icon-silverbolt.gif

Anyone else have any encounters with a Prime toy(s) that made you squeal in delight?
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:38 PM

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FE Bulkhead: Wow. Pure WOW.

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#3 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:55 PM


Cyberverse Ratchet was a really cool little toy. Neat enough that it was actually hard to go through with repainting him as Fixit and that was the entire reason I bought him.

And while I actually think the repaint came out really, really good, part of me still regrets having done it and is considering getting another.


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#4 Megaplex Prime

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:04 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 23 2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Thunderhead @ Feb 23 2012, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FE Bulkhead: Wow. Pure WOW.

...feel my hate...


Haha! Well, actually it's the Takara FE version I got on tfsource for hugging $97, so I don't know if that abates your hate any. icon-fire.gif
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE(Thunderhead @ Feb 23 2012, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 23 2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Thunderhead @ Feb 23 2012, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FE Bulkhead: Wow. Pure WOW.

...feel my hate...


Haha! Well, actually it's the Takara FE version I got on tfsource for hugging $97, so I don't know if that abates your hate any. icon-fire.gif


I got MINE for ~$50 at BBTS. Why did TFSource charge you so much?

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:29 PM

<- yeah the Firsties are great.

With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

#7 Llwynoh

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:42 PM

I have NYCC Bee, FE blue Arcee, FE Dlx Prime, FE Starscream, FE JP Bulkhead ($60 bbts), Rid Wheeljack, Rid Cliffjumper.

So far I love them all, with FE Bee being the weakest due to his fidly arm transformation limiting poses.



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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:44 PM

I'm pretty happy with Wheeljack and the wave 1 FE deluxes. Starscream's engineering is really nifty.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:46 PM

I was willing to drive an hour to get a single remaining F.E. Prime, and man was it worth it. Maybe it'll fade but he's almost my favorite transformer ever at the moment. He's like the Sum of All Primes. Looks good no matter what the pose or mode, especially after the head mod. Even just standing neutrally he radiates hefty personality.

Same with deluxe Starscream. It is literally impossible to put him in a robot pose that doesn't embody his character.

That's what I love about these guys, really. They managed to put so much personality into them, without resorting to Animated's hyper-stylized look in the process (not that that was bad either).

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:04 PM

I've really been happy with my Prime figures so far. I dunno if I'm 'pleasantly surprised' as that implies that I didn't expect them to be good before I got them. I mean, half the reason I paid through the nose (and far less pleasant regions) to get the FE Molds is because I was expecting them to be really good.

But I will say that they've been a lot better in general terms than I expected. A lot of the stock photography and early fan pictures I saw of them were either slightly or seriously miss-transformed, making me wonder just how good they would actually be. Bulkhead, for example, makes a much better rotund 'bot that some of his early pictures made it look. I also was pleased to see that Cliffjumper had little pegs on his headlights that helped hold his chest together and make it look less boxy.

I dunno which one I'm the most happy with... there are aspects of each one I really love. Bulkhead and Cliffy both get major points for near-cheat-less transformations and high show accuracy.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:07 PM

FE Arcee is just okay.
FE Bumblebee's good.
FE CLiffjumper and Starscream are freaking awesome.
Wheeljack is probably the most fun to play with out of the lot, though.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:24 PM

NYCC BB is tossed in the bin and forgot about
NYCC Arcee stands with her other Arcee motocycle sisters and it makes for a great display
FE Cliffjumper has some planel massageing issues but going from car to robot is fun as heck
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:36 PM

I love Wheeljack. Such a neat little car, fun transformation, and great look.

Cyberverse Cliffy is very nice. All that articulation. Too bad he sets an unrealistic bar for the rest of the line.

Soundwave is really cool, and laserbeak integrates so very well.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE(Llwynoh @ Feb 23 2012, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So far I love them all, with FE Bee being the weakest due to his fidly arm transformation limiting poses.

Do you transform them all the way? So the shoulders turn outwards instead of just hanging underneath the wheel wells like the instructions tell you to do?

FE Arcee is really bulky in her altmode and WAY too big, but she's pretty sweet.
FE Bee is really fiddley, but looks really nice once you get all his parts in place.
FE Cliffjumper is just pure love.
And if FE Cliff is pure love, then FE Bulkhead is pure sex!
FE Screamer is really nice but WAY too small. An almost perfectly screen accurate figure.
FE Prime is perfection!

The only thing that could make any of them better is weapon storage. Most of them have little to no spots to stow their weapons in robot mode.

QUOTE(Fear or Courage @ Feb 23 2012, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was willing to drive an hour to get a single remaining F.E. Prime, and man was it worth it. Maybe it'll fade but he's almost my favorite transformer ever at the moment. He's like the Sum of All Primes. Looks good no matter what the pose or mode, especially after the head mod. Even just standing neutrally he radiates hefty personality.

What is this head mod you speak of?



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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:44 PM

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What is this head mod you speak of?


It's not really a mod. Just that Prime doesn't have his head snapped tightly onto the balljoint. The socket's molded in a weird way that makes it feel like it's snapped in place when its not.

Fully snapped in place, he can look up and down, and the head doesn't pop off as easily.

Also, it fixes some minor clearance issues inside the truck cockpit, so the roof/windvane closes up flush, rather that popping up a slight bit.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 10:55 PM

The only surprise that HASN'T been pleasant is that the Vehicon's under-car gun storage seems to stop working after the first time he's transformed. On mine, anyway.

Everything else has been pretty much gold.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:30 PM

QUOTE(Benbot @ Feb 23 2012, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Thunderhead @ Feb 23 2012, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 23 2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Thunderhead @ Feb 23 2012, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FE Bulkhead: Wow. Pure WOW.

...feel my hate...


Haha! Well, actually it's the Takara FE version I got on tfsource for hugging $97, so I don't know if that abates your hate any. icon-fire.gif


I got MINE for ~$50 at BBTS. Why did TFSource charge you so much?


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