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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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#161 ▲ndrusi

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:53 PM

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I'll stick with my Ultra Magnus nomination, but I agree with Sipher's point on Bulkhead. My only (echoed) hesitation is that he's only been in 2 series so far.

That's as many as Waspinator has been in, and twice as many as Dinobot.


...and I didn't vote for either of them.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 04:13 PM

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So no hidden meaning intended, I'm pro-Swindle. I like how he shows that a scramble character can be recognizable and used outside of his subGroup either in Animated, or most of the IDW comics. I just wish there was none of this scam subtext in some nominations which is tarnishing his chances like Erector

I don't see how it tarnishes anything. If a certain incompetent business would try and distract their customer base by pimping the fictional character popularity contest rather than discuss real-world problems they are causing said customer base, I have no problem turning said contest on its ear a bit, if only to remind said business that said customer base will not forget said real-world problems, as well as hold said business's incompetence more firmly in the view of its license grantor at a marquee event. An event, in fact, where most if not all attendees in the audience will have exposed themselves to credit card fraud by preregistering for.


Sounds entirely petty and childish to me.
ALSO Hasbro went along with the joke last year but it was quite clear that they didn't want something like that happening again this year. But here we are with not just a penis joke but a petty and vindictive "joke" that will lead to nothing more than making Hasbro wonder why they put up with this fandom.

Try being mature about the situation. Be upset. Be angry. Voice your opinion. But don't hijack of fun fan event just to be petty.

Maybe they'll wonder why they put up with Fun Publications.

Throwing a fit will only make the fandom look bad.
Hasbro is aware of the situation. Don't make it worse for US.

Or what, they cancel the Generations toyline? Leave FOC Bruticus one-legged? Burn the First Edition molds in a Viking funeral? Move Botcon to only alcohol-free venues?

...actually, that last one would kind of suck.

I'm done here. I feel like I'm talking to some spoiled child that doesn't understand how the world actually works.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 05:41 PM

BEAST WARS MEGATRON

By far the most successful, cunning, and charming of all the Megatrons; he alone stands out as not just a another random reimagining of the G1 guy. Indeed, he was so successful and influential to the brand, that Hasbro wanted to recreate the magic of that character again by hiring David Kaye to provide the same voice for Megatron in three more series, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron; even though it was a new continuity and that that Megatron was meant to be a different character. That's how influential and important was. Absolutely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

BEAST WARS BLACKARACHNIA

The first truly successful female character, that lead to fembots being a regular thing in this franchise. Since a lot of people are going to jump on me and say "But Arcee!", "But Minerva!", I shall explain why she's more important and deserving of fame than either of them. She's never been first in any category, but she's the one that counted. Starting with BA, female characters suddenly became more common, even regular, where as before, Arcee and Minerva were really isolated incidents. So I give Blackarachnia the credit for this change (and I don't give Arcee or Minerva any credit for BA, as Beast Wars and its characters were initially developed with very little thought to the history of the franchise, especially on Bob and Larry's end; so I doubt that Arcee or Minerva had any factor into Blackarachnia's existence).

G1 Arcee was almost a dead end. She may have been in the movie and was the first girl bot to be in more than one episode, but she never had much of any character beyond being the girl, and even then she was barely even in season 3 at all, to say nothing of still to this day not getting a real G1 style transforming toy. She didn't pioneer anything in a boys toys brand either, as there were female characters in Thundercats, He Man, and GI Joe, who all had a lot more screen time, and for most of them; toys too. And some of them didn't even need to be pink... The only reason Arcee gets all the fame and attention is because she was in G1, specifically the movie. G1 still counts for more than anything with this fandom, so anyone from G1 is almost automatically granted a cult classic status whether they deserve it or not. And guess what, until Prime, Arcee didn't do much since G1 either. She was still defined mostly be her gender with still very little screen time. It wasn't until Prime that she finally got a good role and a good character, and that incarnation is probably the best female character to date. But it's a little too soon to induct her in on that alone, not when there are better candidates. Though to be fair she probably needs to be inducted in another year or two, after Blackarachnia's in first icon-arcee.gif .

Minerva fares a lot better, being an actual character and being enough of one to actually get a toy. But there's two issues with her as well. First of all, she spent most of her time in the series as a teenage girl, piloting a transformer body. It wasn't until the very end of the series did her Transector gain a spirit of it's own through her. So her character is rather a different situation than most of what we get in this franchise, even though she still seems to officially be considered a transformer. To be honest, humans piloting transformers is something I've never been that comfortable with and Masterforce's version seems to be the most egregious form of this, as it was closest to making Transformers like piloted gundam mechs, and I don't really feel it deserves celebration. Not all things this franchise does are good ideas... Second, she's still rather an isolated incident. She was in Masterforce, and a little of Victory, but that's it, and outside of the fandom (that is so acutely aware of the history of the brand in Japan), she's kind of a non-entity. And it would be several years before a female character would appear again...

Which brings us to Blackarachnia. She was the first to really be a major character in a Transformers cartoon and to have a presence on the toy shelves, both of which left an enduring legacy. Other than Arcee, she's the only female character to consistently get multiple toys over the life of this brand. She was a major character with plot threads of her own, not just in Beast Wars, but Beast Machines, and then years later in Animated too. Hell, one of the biggest, if not the biggest plot threads in season 3 of Beast Wars is her story of becoming a Maximal and a Transmetal II. Even when she was inevitably partnered with a man in a romance, it was to her benefit as a character and strengthened her, to which Silverbolt was merely a foil. She left a lasting legacy on this franchise where ever since Blackarachnia, female characters have been relatively common, appearing in most series. From Airazor, Strika, Botanica, the return of Arcee, Thunderblast, Override, Slipstream, and even being reincarnated in Animated as a major part of Optimus Prime's backstory, Blackarachnia's legacy is felt in everything except RID, DOTM and maybe Armada. Even today, Airachnid in Prime was clearly inspired by her (And probably meant to be her well into development). Female characters have bee relatively common ever since BA, but not before. That's her legacy, that's the difference she added to the brand, and that's why she deserves to honored in the Hall of Fame all the way! Even if she is kind of a 90's bad girl cliche with the biggest golden globes in Transformers history... icon-bee.gif icon-waspy.gif
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#164 Chip

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 05:46 PM

Beast Wars Megatron.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:02 PM

You know, I just recalled David Kaye's Christmas greeting on YouTube from BW Megatron. As a result, I'm changing my vote:

BEAST-WARS MEGATRON!

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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#166 Chip

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:13 PM

Dinobot, Waspinator, Megatron... we should try for a Predacon every year.

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#167 Otaku

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 07:43 PM

We are... Sky-Byte!

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You didn't make any restrictions on where the Predacon came from. >.>
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:45 PM

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I see no functional difference between saying "Bulkhead deserves the nomination because he carved a definitive space for big heroic lugs"

While he certainly did so... that's not quite where I was coming from with the nomination.

For the record, I was referring to Matthias Phage's "BULKHEAD for redefining the role of the 'Big Guy' on the Autobots." But I did appreciate hearing your full reasoning anyway.

QUOTE(Otaku @ Feb 24 2012, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which is why I explained why just voting for them because they are female is like voting for Bulkhead because he resembles a fat human.

And if that were a quality that really mattered to you, I think it would be a totally valid reason to vote for him. I don't see this like a job interview, where the "hire" needs to stand on the strength of his or her deeds. Symbolic reasons are as good as any other. For instance, if someone thought combiner-teams were a celebration-worthy element of Transformerdom, I think that person would be totally justified in voting for Devastator because he both established the concept in TF and also continues to be the standard-bearer by reappearing almost every time Hasbro has revisited the gimmick. His personality and actions need not matter if you feel strongly enough about that other quality.

Now, you've gone on to say you think Arcee's and BA's personalities work against their positive symbolism, which is a fair point. But I would be more inclined to agree if voting for either of them meant voting only for their original incarnations. They both represent continua, which I think we do agree have improved over time. I see a vote for one of them being half a vote for modern personality and half a vote for past trailblazing.

For the record, I'm not actually trying to convince you out of your choice or anything. I'm just using the discussion to hash out my own reasoning and share it with anyone who's interested. I still haven't figured out which lady to pick...

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:00 AM

My nominee: Cheetor

One of the characters that got me into the Beast series. He was awsome, even in Beast Machines.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:03 AM

I've already made one nomination in this thread. Am I allowed to make another?

If so, I'd like to suggest Robots in Disguise Scourge, even if they have to call him "Nemesis Prime" these days, but I want to be clear that it's the RiD version that is "fame-worthy," for pretty much starting the whole "evil Prime" thing, and for doing so in a memorable way that none of the homages to come since have really matched.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:44 AM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Feb 26 2012, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've already made one nomination in this thread. Am I allowed to make another?

If so, I'd like to suggest Robots in Disguise Scourge, even if they have to call him "Nemesis Prime" these days, but I want to be clear that it's the RiD version that is "fame-worthy," for pretty much starting the whole "evil Prime" thing, and for doing so in a memorable way that none of the homages to come since have really matched.


I was just discussing this with my girlfriend. In a way you can almost trace the lineage of the Thirteen back to RID Scourge since he was the proto evil Prime. He started the "Nemesis Prime" concept, which gave us The Fallen, who helped precipitate the concept of the Thirteen Primes. I'll admit it's a loose connection, but it's there, in addition to his being the progenitor of the whole tradition of "black, teal, and red tinted-windows-as-evil-counterparts" color scheme.

That being said, I think there are more deserving characters out there. So my primary vote goes to BW Megatron (though he and Primal should have been auto-inducted along with Prime and G1/AEC/Movie/Every-other-Megatron).

If we're allowed more than one choice in determining who the Allspark's proposed nominee is, then I'd like to add Blackarachnia, Wheeljack, Hot Rod, and Arcee to the list.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:17 AM

Ya know I was looking at the wiki and a weird thought came up. This is pry gonna be shot down immediately by some but is Sari available to nominate? She technically is a transformer even though she started out as the human kid character. It's a grey area there. She is Cybertronian, she can transform, has a visible robot mode, and really seems like a reverse pretender in a way.

I've already thrown my vote in for Blackarachnia but to everyone, does Sari count as a viable candidate?

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#173 Blueshift

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:31 AM

It has to be Swindle. One of the only interesting G1 characters, and he had a bolo tie in Animated. What more do you want!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:57 AM

Megatron (BW)
'Cuz he's still my favoritest Transformers character. Even more than that cat dude and the JAaM guy.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:18 AM

I think Beast Wars Megatron deserves it as well. He's been a perennial fan-favorite character that stole the scene most of the time thanks to David Kaye's performances, and he's had a rich history with a big impact. A lot of the other suggestions are understandably popular, but just aren't even close to being on that same level in my opinion.
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#176 ▲ndrusi

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:24 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 26 2012, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Megatron (BW)
'Cuz he's still my favoritest Transformers character. Even more than that cat dude and the JAaM guy.

Quick! Let's kill him in the background of a great big battle scene!

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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#177 Walky

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:54 AM

Hmmm. In that case, maybe my favoritest character should be Rodimus.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:55 AM

Swindle

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:10 PM

Due to recent events, I think SWINDLE should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 12:10 PM

My nomination: Rodimus




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