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@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.


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#141 Mako Crab

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:06 PM

BARRICADE



If I were to nominate someone from the movies, it'd be Barricade. To me, he's the most recognizable Decepticon of the whole lot. He's the first Decepticon we get to see for any great length of time. The first 'con to talk. The first 'con to show off the Decepticon badge. And as a cop car, he stands out from all the military vehicles the rest of the 'cons adopt. Also, after a half hour or so into the movie, he gave us our very first Autobot vs. Decepticon fight. And he showed up again briefly near the end, and once more in DotM. I don't think they were going to bring him back, evidenced by his absence in RotF, but there he was in DotM. Fan demand brought him back? Maybe, but I like to think so. icon-fire.gif

#142 ▲ndrusi

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 24 2012, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Feb 24 2012, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I'll stick with my Ultra Magnus nomination, but I agree with Sipher's point on Bulkhead. My only (echoed) hesitation is that he's only been in 2 series so far.

That's as many as Waspinator has been in, and twice as many as Dinobot.


...and I didn't vote for either of them.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:26 PM

COSMOS all the way, baby!

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Feb 24 2012, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I'll stick with my Ultra Magnus nomination, but I agree with Sipher's point on Bulkhead. My only (echoed) hesitation is that he's only been in 2 series so far.

That's as many as Waspinator has been in, and twice as many as Dinobot.


...and I didn't vote for either of them.

Would you like a cookie?


Heh, why not. I actually just had two thin mints...

I'm just pointing out that the one main reason that I wouldn't necessarily wouldn't want to support Bulkhead for HoF is a trait shared by other characters that I also didn't vote for (same thing with Mako's suggestion - Barricade. Of course, he also hasn't had any real characterization, unlike BH). And yes, I don't care for the fact that the HoF has basically just turned into a formula of G1 + 1 BW every year, but if Bulkhead were the non-G1 candidate this year (that is, if he were the only one), I might consider voting for him since I know there's some actual thought behind his inclusion rather than OMG BW

Edited by Octavius Prime, 24 February 2012 - 08:57 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:13 PM

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My for real nomination is

BEAST WARS MEGATRON


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:47 PM

So no hidden meaning intended, I'm pro-Swindle. I like how he shows that a scramble character can be recognizable and used outside of his subGroup either in Animated, or most of the IDW comics. I just wish there was none of this scam subtext in some nominations which is tarnishing his chances like Erector

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE(Yertle @ Feb 24 2012, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no hidden meaning intended, I'm pro-Swindle. I like how he shows that a scramble character can be recognizable and used outside of his subGroup either in Animated, or most of the IDW comics. I just wish there was none of this scam subtext in some nominations which is tarnishing his chances like Erector

I don't see how it tarnishes anything. If a certain incompetent business would try and distract their customer base by pimping the fictional character popularity contest rather than discuss real-world problems they are causing said customer base, I have no problem turning said contest on its ear a bit, if only to remind said business that said customer base will not forget said real-world problems, as well as hold said business's incompetence more firmly in the view of its license grantor at a marquee event. An event, in fact, where most if not all attendees in the audience will have exposed themselves to credit card fraud by preregistering for.

...

Plus, you know, Fred Willard can do no wrong. He makes everything he touches exponentially more awesome. He's a credit to his profession and a comedy genius.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:22 PM

QUOTE(Octavius Prime @ Feb 24 2012, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And yes, I don't care for the fact that the HoF has basically just turned into a formula of G1 + 1 BW every year, but if Bulkhead were the non-G1 candidate this year (that is, if he were the only one), I might consider voting for him since I know there's some actual thought behind his inclusion rather than OMG BW


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:28 PM

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Bruticus

Would that include all the Combaticons as well?

No way man! The individual Combaticons* are undeserving the honor of being in the Hall of Fame.

*[edit]: Except possibly Swindle

Edited by Starfield, 24 February 2012 - 11:09 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:52 PM

I vote Swindle as well, in light of seeing heavy support for something to do with the combiner they are planning to release hopefully someday It will lead to further releases of other combiners such as Computron! icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:09 PM

Anyone do a banner for Bulkhead, preferrably from TF Prime?

Any new banners for Hot Rod?
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:00 AM

My nomination is for:

SKY-BYTE

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:32 AM

QUOTE(Mako Crab @ Feb 24 2012, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ Otaku

Okay, I've cooled down a bit. Gotta' remember it's just a cartoon. Just a cartoon. . .

I think the confusion came from the fact that, I hadn't seen Daith's post, and you jumped right into painting one of my favorite characters as nothing more than a pair of boobs in your dead-pan fashion. That, and despite being a parody of Daith or whoever's arguments, you seem to believe what you're saying. And if that really is your opinion, I shouldn't care either way. But I felt like I should explain that there is a lot more to the character than just her boobs.


Emphasis added by me. You are correct that I am no longer a BA (Beast Wars version) fan (and was never fond of her in Beast Machines for stealing out Jestorm icon-megs.gif ). I really enjoyed what was done with the character in Animated, however. The part of your quote in bold was just a reminder you had your chance here, and I was eager to continue the discussion. From time to time I still go back and read the Revisiting Beast Machines, which is what turned Beast Machines from my least favorite series into... well, far from my favorite, but much more enjoyable. XD

QUOTE(Otaku @ Feb 24 2012, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...when I think you need to get a life, it should be a major concern.


Quoting myself to... myself. Like anyone needs me to tell them I was taking this too seriously.

On to actual suggestions, Swindle does sound pretty good, and I am wondering if I should start a thread to discuss the finer points of the Hall of Fame. I really am curious about what qualities fans believe should matter for characters to get in.

Edited by Otaku, 25 February 2012 - 11:35 AM.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:36 AM

QUOTE(Erector @ Feb 24 2012, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Yertle @ Feb 24 2012, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no hidden meaning intended, I'm pro-Swindle. I like how he shows that a scramble character can be recognizable and used outside of his subGroup either in Animated, or most of the IDW comics. I just wish there was none of this scam subtext in some nominations which is tarnishing his chances like Erector

I don't see how it tarnishes anything. If a certain incompetent business would try and distract their customer base by pimping the fictional character popularity contest rather than discuss real-world problems they are causing said customer base, I have no problem turning said contest on its ear a bit, if only to remind said business that said customer base will not forget said real-world problems, as well as hold said business's incompetence more firmly in the view of its license grantor at a marquee event. An event, in fact, where most if not all attendees in the audience will have exposed themselves to credit card fraud by preregistering for.


Sounds entirely petty and childish to me.
ALSO Hasbro went along with the joke last year but it was quite clear that they didn't want something like that happening again this year. But here we are with not just a penis joke but a petty and vindictive "joke" that will lead to nothing more than making Hasbro wonder why they put up with this fandom.

Try being mature about the situation. Be upset. Be angry. Voice your opinion. But don't hijack of fun fan event just to be petty.

Edited by Cheetimus Primal, 25 February 2012 - 11:39 AM.

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#155 Monzo

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

Just a reminder, but the Wiki's voting is also open!

http://tfwiki.net/wi...ditions/Entries

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 25 2012, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Erector @ Feb 24 2012, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Yertle @ Feb 24 2012, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no hidden meaning intended, I'm pro-Swindle. I like how he shows that a scramble character can be recognizable and used outside of his subGroup either in Animated, or most of the IDW comics. I just wish there was none of this scam subtext in some nominations which is tarnishing his chances like Erector

I don't see how it tarnishes anything. If a certain incompetent business would try and distract their customer base by pimping the fictional character popularity contest rather than discuss real-world problems they are causing said customer base, I have no problem turning said contest on its ear a bit, if only to remind said business that said customer base will not forget said real-world problems, as well as hold said business's incompetence more firmly in the view of its license grantor at a marquee event. An event, in fact, where most if not all attendees in the audience will have exposed themselves to credit card fraud by preregistering for.


Sounds entirely petty and childish to me.
ALSO Hasbro went along with the joke last year but it was quite clear that they didn't want something like that happening again this year. But here we are with not just a penis joke but a petty and vindictive "joke" that will lead to nothing more than making Hasbro wonder why they put up with this fandom.

Try being mature about the situation. Be upset. Be angry. Voice your opinion. But don't hijack of fun fan event just to be petty.

Maybe they'll wonder why they put up with Fun Publications.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:55 PM

I'll nominate Beast Wars Megatron.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:09 PM

QUOTE(Erector @ Feb 25 2012, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 25 2012, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Erector @ Feb 24 2012, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Yertle @ Feb 24 2012, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no hidden meaning intended, I'm pro-Swindle. I like how he shows that a scramble character can be recognizable and used outside of his subGroup either in Animated, or most of the IDW comics. I just wish there was none of this scam subtext in some nominations which is tarnishing his chances like Erector

I don't see how it tarnishes anything. If a certain incompetent business would try and distract their customer base by pimping the fictional character popularity contest rather than discuss real-world problems they are causing said customer base, I have no problem turning said contest on its ear a bit, if only to remind said business that said customer base will not forget said real-world problems, as well as hold said business's incompetence more firmly in the view of its license grantor at a marquee event. An event, in fact, where most if not all attendees in the audience will have exposed themselves to credit card fraud by preregistering for.


Sounds entirely petty and childish to me.
ALSO Hasbro went along with the joke last year but it was quite clear that they didn't want something like that happening again this year. But here we are with not just a penis joke but a petty and vindictive "joke" that will lead to nothing more than making Hasbro wonder why they put up with this fandom.

Try being mature about the situation. Be upset. Be angry. Voice your opinion. But don't hijack of fun fan event just to be petty.

Maybe they'll wonder why they put up with Fun Publications.

Throwing a fit will only make the fandom look bad.
Hasbro is aware of the situation. Don't make it worse for US.

Edited by Cheetimus Primal, 25 February 2012 - 01:09 PM.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 25 2012, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Erector @ Feb 25 2012, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 25 2012, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Erector @ Feb 24 2012, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Yertle @ Feb 24 2012, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no hidden meaning intended, I'm pro-Swindle. I like how he shows that a scramble character can be recognizable and used outside of his subGroup either in Animated, or most of the IDW comics. I just wish there was none of this scam subtext in some nominations which is tarnishing his chances like Erector

I don't see how it tarnishes anything. If a certain incompetent business would try and distract their customer base by pimping the fictional character popularity contest rather than discuss real-world problems they are causing said customer base, I have no problem turning said contest on its ear a bit, if only to remind said business that said customer base will not forget said real-world problems, as well as hold said business's incompetence more firmly in the view of its license grantor at a marquee event. An event, in fact, where most if not all attendees in the audience will have exposed themselves to credit card fraud by preregistering for.


Sounds entirely petty and childish to me.
ALSO Hasbro went along with the joke last year but it was quite clear that they didn't want something like that happening again this year. But here we are with not just a penis joke but a petty and vindictive "joke" that will lead to nothing more than making Hasbro wonder why they put up with this fandom.

Try being mature about the situation. Be upset. Be angry. Voice your opinion. But don't hijack of fun fan event just to be petty.

Maybe they'll wonder why they put up with Fun Publications.

Throwing a fit will only make the fandom look bad.
Hasbro is aware of the situation. Don't make it worse for US.

Or what, they cancel the Generations toyline? Leave FOC Bruticus one-legged? Burn the First Edition molds in a Viking funeral? Move Botcon to only alcohol-free venues?

...actually, that last one would kind of suck.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:44 PM

QUOTE(Otaku @ Feb 25 2012, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The part of your quote in bold was just a reminder you had your chance here, and I was eager to continue the discussion.

I wasn't trying to sell you on Blackarachnia or any other character with those reviews. I was just doing those for fun.




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