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@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again

@  MEDdMI : (23 August 2016 - 08:46 PM)

I would like a dancing/rhythm game called Rhythms of Darkness, but not necessarily Marvel related.

@  Bass X0 : (23 August 2016 - 07:42 PM)

I'd like a Rhythms of Darkness mini-series from IDW following on from the Marvel issue detailing the events that happened in that timeline after the issue ended. The Marvel movie adaptation and The Big Broadcast of 2006 would take place in the same timeline.

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 01:21 AM)

someone must think you need another set

@  OrionPax44 : (23 August 2016 - 12:08 AM)

All I keep getting is the add for the FP Stunticon set I already own

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (22 August 2016 - 11:51 PM)

A tactical shortcoming.

@  MEDdMI : (22 August 2016 - 08:54 PM)

I frequently get ones for hot Asian women. I guess they're not doing their research.

@  Bass X0 : (22 August 2016 - 03:30 PM)

Most of my targeted ads are for things I just recently bought, which seems redundant

@  BScorpinok75 : (22 August 2016 - 12:47 AM)

:o


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:31 AM

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In 2010, Hasbro inducted humans and robots from the worlds of toys, entertainment and CYBERTRON into the inaugural class of its TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame, honoring more than 25 years of ?robots in disguise? action. Now in its third year, Hasbro is once again turning to fans to help finalize the 2012 robot inductee class.

Hasbro?s internal panel of judges has chosen three iconic characters to induct into the TRANFORMERS Hall of Fame in 2012?Heroic AUTOBOTS JAZZ and GRIMLOCK, as well as evil DECEPTICON SHOCKWAVE. But we need your help to determine this year's fourth robot inductee!

The winning character will be announced at the TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame ceremony on Saturday, April 28 at BOTCON, the Official TRANSFORMERS Convention in Dallas, TX.

The TRANSFORMERS Hall of Fame was created to honor those influential in building the iconic entertainment brand, as well as the actual ?ROBOTS IN DISGUISE.? The inaugural induction ceremony was held at BotCon 2010. TRANSFORMERS influentials Bob Budiansky, Peter Cullen, Hideaki Yoke, and Kohjin Ohno were members of the inaugural class, along with five notable robot characters that are a part of Transformers lore. The previous robot honorees (who are ineligible for the fan-voted slot in this year's ceremony) are:
OPTIMUS PRIME
BUMBLEBEE
MEGATRON
STARSCREAM
DINOBOT
IRONHIDE
RATCHET
SOUNDWAVE
WASPINATOR


First round nominees are due by March 1st, so let's get this rolling!

(Also keep in mind that we asked Hasbro and BW Megatron is a different character than G1 Megatron....Not to sway any votes!)

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:35 AM

Please clearly type your nomination, and separate it from your discussion of the Hall of Fame. For example:

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My nomination: BEAST WARS MEGATRON

Here is why. Or why I like the previous nomination as well. Or maybe I'm posting a joke here. Perhaps it's a complete non-sequitor. Whatever this is, it's not my nomination, which I've clearly labeled and is easy to see.




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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:35 AM

HIM GRIM -- oh.

Shock -- ah, dammit.

Ja -- well jive.

I'm gonna have to think about this one...

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:45 AM

FINALLY. Been waiting for this. Grimlock, Jazz, Shockwave are "finallys" too. They deserved to be in long ago. Taking them out opens things up nicely. BW Megatron probably has it sown up this year, but honestly I want to think deeper than that... even if it ends up being moot.

My Nomination: Omega Supreme


-ZacWilliam, Seriously considered the Aerialbots or Insecticons but I kinda a feel they need in as a team rather than individuals. Jetfire/Skyfire would also be a top choice but Omega just barely beats him for me. Part of me would love to nominate Scrounge just because I love him and the Marvel Comic but I don't think he'd get any votes beyond me and after the Erector debacle Hasbro is probably not eager to see anyone who isn't a legit big name.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:00 PM

Due to convincing arguments and love for the character himself, I'm changing my vote to:

BULKHEAD

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 23 2012, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, Seriously considered the Aerialbots or Insecticons but I kinda a feel they need in as a team rather than individuals. Jetfire/Skyfire would also be a top choice but Omega just barely beats him for me.

Now I wonder if Hasbro would let anyone be inducted twice, as part of a team and as an individual (like Eric Clapton). I can't think of any team members other than Grimlock that REALLY stand out though...

Nice to see that everyone nominated in the past 2 years is now officially in (with one exception that I'm grateful for), that should give us an interesting field this year. Which brings us to...


My nomination: Blackarachnia

Crafty, independent, seductive, lethal, and unpredictable. In the small class of female Transformers, she stands out, and the fact that she's had 2.5 incarnations (I count Airachnid as a half, BA was clearly the inspiration for her) is a testament to that.

(I fought against nominating another Beast-era character, but I can't think of anyone else who I thought has had a lasting impact on the franchise yet.)

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:11 PM

I say we go 3 for 3 with the Beast wars cast.

I'm voting for Blackarachnia.


Lets get at least one femme into the line-up. lol.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:25 PM

Beast Wars Megatron

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:25 PM

The Hasbro choices are pretty much no brainers, and as show why voting for them in the past was pointless, they were shoe-ins anyway.

My nomination: Blackarachnia

She was the first female character Hasbro made a toy of, and from starting out from the humble beginnings as a redeco, she eventually got her own original molds. Blackarachnia has also managed to appear in two separate universes. As a character, she has received a ton of character development and growth in both incarnations, more so then a lot of other well known characters.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:29 PM

My nomination: Rhinox

The heart and soul of the Maximal team, he kept them in good repair, kept the equipment up and running, guided them spiritually, and was the heavy hand when a smackdown was required. Also, he won the Beast Wars for them by ramming a shuttlecraft down Megatron's throat.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:31 PM

Skywarp

As Transformers first Decepticon redeco he needs some love!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 23 2012, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Skywarp

As Transformers first Decepticon redeco he needs some love!


That's not really a fair title, as Thundercracker, Starscream, Rumble, Frenzy, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw could all lay equal claim on it.

That said, Skywarp and Cracker are both really good choices I didn't think of.


-ZacWilliam, they go with Wheeljack, Mirage, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Sideswipe as eventual shoe-in IMO...
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:40 PM

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My nomination: Arcee.

First regular female character in G1, also had incarnations in the Beast Era (via a con exclusive), the Unicron Trilogy, the live-action movies, and Animated...and now Transformers Prime has given her the spotlight in a big way. Honestly, I was ambivalent about the past versions of the character, but the first season of TFP made her my favorite.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 23 2012, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
JAZZ


HE'S ALREADY IN! READ THE FIRST POST AND PICK AGAIN!


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE(Cheetimus Primal @ Feb 23 2012, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
JAZZ

QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 23 2012, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Hasbro?s internal panel of judges has chosen three iconic characters to induct into the TRANFORMERS Hall of Fame in 2012?Heroic AUTOBOTS JAZZ and GRIMLOCK, as well as evil DECEPTICON SHOCKWAVE. But we need your help to determine this year's fourth robot inductee!


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QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 23 2012, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 23 2012, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Skywarp

As Transformers first Decepticon redeco he needs some love!


That's not really a fair title, as Thundercracker, Starscream, Rumble, Frenzy, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw could all lay equal claim on it.

That said, Skywarp and Cracker are both really good choices I didn't think of.


-ZacWilliam, they go with Wheeljack, Mirage, Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Sideswipe as eventual shoe-in IMO...


I should have said first unique redeco for the Decepticons, as in something that didn't show up in Diaclone or Microchange. Buzzsaw, Sunstreaker, and Trailbreaker are the others.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:51 PM

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:55 PM

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:57 PM

RAVAGE

First Decepticon to join Megatron, first Transformer to ever have a speaking role in TF fiction, best G1 guy to appear in BW, only Decepticon to get two Alternators and one of two to get his own non-redeco mold, and only Transformer to be canonically labelled as containing a recording of the soundtrack to "Cats".

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