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@  Patchouli Kn... : (27 August 2016 - 09:34 AM)

A big thank you to everyone who contributed to my GoFundMe! =D

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 August 2016 - 07:42 AM)

Especially if it's an escort mission.

@  Pennpenn : (27 August 2016 - 07:29 AM)

I can't believe I forgot one of the core rules of video games. When the question is "They can't be that stupid, can they?" the answer is almost always "Yes they can".

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 August 2016 - 06:56 AM)

I think the meme needs to be transferred back to Vin Diesel

@  BlackMax : (27 August 2016 - 06:09 AM)

CHUCK NORRIS NO!

@  lastmaximal : (27 August 2016 - 12:19 AM)

Yes?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (26 August 2016 - 06:39 PM)

Chuck Norris

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 August 2016 - 04:59 PM)

Goodnight, everybody!

@  Bass X0 : (26 August 2016 - 04:57 PM)

...I don't think so.

@  BlackMax : (26 August 2016 - 04:55 PM)

No no no, ~finger~prints!

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 August 2016 - 04:43 PM)

I'd say "Goodnight, everybody!" but no one's made an innuendo yet.

@  Bass X0 : (26 August 2016 - 04:39 PM)

Goodnight out there... whatever you are!

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 03:27 PM)

Goodnight, folks!

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 03:09 PM)

*drags TMM out of the Squawkbox to continue the fight*

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 02:26 PM)

I dunno, maybe the big guy's saving it for a special ocassion.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 01:16 PM)

Your spouse's brother is a PRIEST. If you were supposed to get hit by lightning, it would've happened by now.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Now I want to make devil's food cake with holy water just to see if I get hit by lightning or something.

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 10:10 AM)

I hope not. Ruins the flavour.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 09:09 AM)

Did I put garlic or holy water in it or something?

@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

http://i.imgur.com/qeoJpsf.jpg

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.


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#21 Starfield

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 22 2012, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 22 2012, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love the sound of Regeneration and Simon's enthusiasm!

Randy


Can't wait to add a third MUST BUY, TF comic to my purchase list. If they stagger them right we'll only have one week a month when there's not an awesome TF book to buy. Expensive but awesome.

I hope Blaster and Fort Max can play a decent role in Regeneration. They were Budainsky's "stars" much more than Furman's but they feel so much a part of what the G1 comic was to me.

Despite Optimus Prime existing I always felt he was only a really big focus in the US comic toward the end. The leading men of the US comic to me were:
Buster Witwicky
Ratchet
Blaster
Goldbug
Fort Max/Galen/Spike
Optimus Prime
And then Grimlock

In roughly that order. I'd love to see them all get a curtain call.


-ZacWilliam, TF comics havn't been this cool in sooo long...

Walter Barnett was a heavy hitter for a pretty big chunk of the series. Blackrock said RAAT was disbanded, but what about Barnett and III? Did they commission Blackrock and the Neo-Knights behind the scenes?

#22 G.B.Blackrock

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE(Starfield @ Feb 22 2012, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 22 2012, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 22 2012, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love the sound of Regeneration and Simon's enthusiasm!

Randy


Can't wait to add a third MUST BUY, TF comic to my purchase list. If they stagger them right we'll only have one week a month when there's not an awesome TF book to buy. Expensive but awesome.

I hope Blaster and Fort Max can play a decent role in Regeneration. They were Budainsky's "stars" much more than Furman's but they feel so much a part of what the G1 comic was to me.

Despite Optimus Prime existing I always felt he was only a really big focus in the US comic toward the end. The leading men of the US comic to me were:
Buster Witwicky
Ratchet
Blaster
Goldbug
Fort Max/Galen/Spike
Optimus Prime
And then Grimlock

In roughly that order. I'd love to see them all get a curtain call.


-ZacWilliam, TF comics havn't been this cool in sooo long...

Walter Barnett was a heavy hitter for a pretty big chunk of the series. Blackrock said RAAT was disbanded, but what about Barnett and III? Did they commission Blackrock and the Neo-Knights behind the scenes?
The "they" of who commissioned Blackrock and the Neo-Knights is a bit mysterious. Blackrock references the "Security Council," which would seem to imply the UN, although they hadn't been involved before. All we can say is that, yes, it's clear that the not-yet-named Neo-Knight were explicitly commissioned (by someone) to replace RAAT. Was Barnett and/or III (which, being fictional, might well have a "security council") involved? That's the question.

(I was actually writing a bit about this just a couple of weeks ago....)


#23 Primer Prime

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 06:04 PM

Well someone is certainly sure to do something about the crashed Ark. He mentioned Headmasters... it makes me wonder if the machination was an unused idea from his run on Marvel US, but replacing Spike and Fort Max with Hunter and Streaker. Even if it were, I doubt he would re-use something like that so soon. It makes me all the more frustrated that he had to squish all of his leftover IDW plans into Maximum Dinobots.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:06 PM

The bit at the end was the most diplomatic and succinct summation of the movie franchise I'm likely to ever read icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 06:47 AM

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The whole Prime-Megatron dynamic really comes under the spotlight in the first arc. I asked myself fundamental questions about both characters and how almost inter-dependent they are. You almost can?t imagine Prime without Megatron and vice versa.


And yet most of the Marvel G1 comic did so just fine...


Actually, I'm pretty excited to see how Furman deals with this particular aspect, but I just had to comment on his assertion that you can't have one without the other, given exactly which continuity we're talking about here....


Well, most of the time they were BOTH dead, actually. And Megatron takes pretty hard when he cannot kill Prime (see 'Gone but not forgotten' or if someone offers to off Prime instead of him ('Prey')). Optimus reminiscences about his relationship to Megatron and how they always die and come back in G2, I loved that montage.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:02 PM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 23 2012, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Feb 22 2012, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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The whole Prime-Megatron dynamic really comes under the spotlight in the first arc. I asked myself fundamental questions about both characters and how almost inter-dependent they are. You almost can?t imagine Prime without Megatron and vice versa.


And yet most of the Marvel G1 comic did so just fine...


Actually, I'm pretty excited to see how Furman deals with this particular aspect, but I just had to comment on his assertion that you can't have one without the other, given exactly which continuity we're talking about here....


Well, most of the time they were BOTH dead, actually. And Megatron takes pretty hard when he cannot kill Prime (see 'Gone but not forgotten' or if someone offers to off Prime instead of him ('Prey')). Optimus reminiscences about his relationship to Megatron and how they always die and come back in G2, I loved that montage.

Granting that both are out of action between issues #25 (Megatron's "death" as noted in GbnF) and #42 (Prime's return as a Powermaster), and that both are gone again from Issues #75 - 80 (but not including #79, where Megatron is around again), You still have the majority of the series (indeed, I'm only counting about a quarter of the series where both are indeed offline) where one is around without the other. (Most of this being Prime without Megatron, admittedly)

I don't count Prey (again, US bias), and G2 shouldn't count for the sake of this discussion, although I will certainly grant that Furman does some wonderful stuff there re: Prime and Megatron's relationship, as you suggest.

But I think my point stands on pretty solid ground. With only a couple of exceptions in the Marvel US series (the last of these being issue #24, unless you want to count Megatron's behind-the-scenes machinations in the Pretender Classics origin story as indirectly including Prime), we don't see Prime and Megatron interact all that much at all.

*I haven't forgotten Prime-as-head from #5-#12, nor Megatron's absence between #8 and #13. But because Prime is actually functional in that whole bit, and Prime's actual interactions with Shockwave are kind of important, I don't think this period counts as both being dead.

Edited by G.B.Blackrock, 23 February 2012 - 12:06 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:57 PM

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If RG1 does really well, anyone think they'd continue it further than #100?

Oddly enough, no. I think this is actually pretty definitive, and sales won't make that much of a difference.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 04:29 PM

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Another interview with Simon Furman? I think after the first 3, I've learned all I needed to know to figure out what makes the man tick.

I'm still interested in whatever new details he feels like dropping. Like now we know the Cosmic Carnival will be making an appearance! That tickles me to no end.

Also, I liked the question about how much of the plotline will be new ideas versus old ones he never got the chance to explore, since seeing the latter is my own primary source of interest in the series. So for that reason, it was actually a little disappointing to hear him say it'll be mostly the former, but his list of old plot points he will address sounds pretty satisfying.

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Sorry, but... G1 Prime is a few dozen evolutionary steps above movie Prime.
In fact, every version of Optimus is way above movie Prime who's like a caveman compared to them.


Nonono, it fits. Remember: Evolution is not about getting smarter and better. It's only about adapting to the environment to survive. And if a more aggressive, murderous bastard is fit to survive in the movie market, that's textbook evolution at work.





Okay, not really, but let's not strain the metaphor even further.

Don't be too hard on yourself - I don't think that strains the metaphor at all. It's startlingly apropos, actually.

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Feb 22 2012, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If RG1 does really well, anyone think they'd continue it further than #100?

Oddly enough, no. I think this is actually pretty definitive, and sales won't make that much of a difference.

I agree that Furman's tone sounds pretty final, but I have a hard time imagining him ending #100 in a place that couldn't be continued if IDW thought there was enough money in it. Ultimately it's their decision, not his.

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 23 2012, 03:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, most of the time they were BOTH dead, actually. And Megatron takes pretty hard when he cannot kill Prime (see 'Gone but not forgotten' or if someone offers to off Prime instead of him ('Prey')). Optimus reminiscences about his relationship to Megatron and how they always die and come back in G2, I loved that montage.

It was a good montage, true, but Prime's perspective seemed to be that it was just this curious quirk of history; Megatron was the one who always took it personally. Honestly, when I think of Marvel-G1 Prime's definitive opposite number, Scorponok is the one who jumps to mind.

Edited by Jackpot, 23 February 2012 - 04:35 PM.




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