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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:22 AM

https://twitter.com/#!/TF_pr/status/172271967955730432

Twincast has a tampographed Autobot symbol on his chest and some red stickers/paint underneath the upper thigh stickers he usually has. This makes me wonder if they used the Blaster door or smoothed away the techno-details on Twincast's chest to place the symbol (or just painted over it like with Encore Convoy)? It looks completely smooth (so either it's Blaster's or they changed the mold on Twincast).

Nightstalker looks as originally depicted but Stripes is very much a normal orange and not the dark orange you get when Photoshopping black into orange.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:50 AM

Note that the Encore's art has a yellow face with blue eyes instead of a silver face with yellow eyes. I'm thinking he's going to have an anime accurate (colored) face!!! icon-silverbolt.gif

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:27 AM

Makes me wonder if the blue chest on Soundblaster is accurate (I believe his chest was purple in the anime). Also if he'll have red eyes or yellow.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:52 AM

Triple posting? Really?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:00 AM

Posting about my posting (all which were at least a half hour or more between each)? Really?!

I guess I'm the only one excited about this at the moment.

I'm glad to see Twincast still has the red window at least.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:01 AM

Wow, the packaging and deco changes are starting to make me more excited for this set than Soundblaster. I never owned an original Twincast either, just the e-Hobby one (which had boring, generic packaging despite coming with Flipsides), so it'll be nice to finally have full-size packaging and boxart for Twincast.

I wonder how well he'll sell, considering the e-Hobby release never seemed to sell for much on the secondary market (last I checked anyways).

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:31 AM

I really love the yellow face; I preferred the techy detail on the chest. I guess I can always switch their heads if it drives me crazy.

Obviously the big draw is Nightstalker and Stripes, so naturally it's Stripes we don't get a good look at here. Still, tapes tapes tapes.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:46 AM


I have a hard time figuring out why I've never been fond of the Twincast deco. It's weird for me because I love Blaster and Blue and grey are usually two of my favorite colors on TFs. I think it's something about how the bright yellow and red don't fit with blue and grey well. He makes me think of McDonalds for some reason. I don't know...


-ZacWilliam, an well, he makes a nice accessory for Nightstalker and Stripes I guess, who are the real reason to want the set...
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:50 PM

I don't want this enough to buy it, but there's no denying that this looks like a Twincast done right. It's such a shame that no modern toy has ever really been able to nail the integrated partner gimmick better than these 30-year-old molds. Of course, there's partly because the tape/deck dynamic has never been replaced by anything as workable for a toy.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:54 PM

Excellent! Looks like I picked the right reissue to get icon-fire.gif

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:02 PM

Lets hope that HLJ (and other Japanese based retailers) can fulfill their orders unlike the United stuff from last month.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:09 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 22 2012, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess I'm the only one excited about this at the moment.


I'm just waiting for a better image of Stripes. He's pretty much the main reason I have this set on order icon-fire.gif


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:14 PM

Yeah I wonder how the stripes carried over, and how the tape mode looks on him.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:21 PM

I like them, but never able to buy them. Sigh...

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Damn, I just may have to get him afterall. I'm already down for Soundblaster.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:45 PM

I has a sad. This makes me want to complete the cassettes, but backtracking through even the Encores is prohibitively expensive...


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:32 PM

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I has a sad. This makes me want to complete the cassettes, but backtracking through even the Encores is prohibitively expensive...

If you think the encores are expensive, you're not going to like what the un-reissued G1 cassettes cost...

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:42 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 22 2012, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Note that the Encore's art has a yellow face with blue eyes instead of a silver face with yellow eyes. I'm thinking he's going to have an anime accurate (colored) face!!! icon-silverbolt.gif

Randy


This modified art is the one used on the character card shown on Encore Twincast's TakaraTomy page when it first went up. I'm surprised you didn't pick up this detail, Randy.

And sorry to disappoint, but Encore Soundblaster still got the red chest. But hey, the toy photos on the boxes show that both Twincast and Soundblaster have anime-accurate faces:

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 01:09 AM

I just really hope we get to see the last 8 cassettes brought back to life in an official release. I am lucky enough to own them thanks to KOToys but I'd still happily buy official releases.

Does anyone know if anybody repro's the weapons on these buggers? I know that chrome won't last forever...I'd like to have some back up weapons, but that's expensive to go the real route.

edit - Damn! Was really hoping for the purple chest on Soundblaster...just looks sharper. Oh well, I understand the decision since the cassettes still have those stickers. Glad to see Wingthing got painted eyes and they didn't over-homage the Action Master. The faces are a nice touch tho...

Not sure on Twincast. Trying to resist!!!!!!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 06:01 AM

It doesn't matter, but Wingthing should have had a black painted head with silver eyes. But an orange head with black eyes isn't a big deal.

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