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@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 02:26 PM)

I dunno, maybe the big guy's saving it for a special ocassion.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 01:16 PM)

Your spouse's brother is a PRIEST. If you were supposed to get hit by lightning, it would've happened by now.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Now I want to make devil's food cake with holy water just to see if I get hit by lightning or something.

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 10:10 AM)

I hope not. Ruins the flavour.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 09:09 AM)

Did I put garlic or holy water in it or something?

@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.


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#1 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:06 AM


Have I mentioned recently that it's nice that the ATT archive never ever goes away?

http://groups.google...r...botMasters

QUOTE(Hasbro to fan roundtable - November 2004)
"Think of the Star Wars Vintage Collection series, with old-fashioned
packaging and all-new mold updates of vintage characters. Would that
be interesting for Transformers? Would fans be willing to pay more
money than a toy's size point usually gets, if the money went into
extra detailing and features and/or better packaging? (I asked for
clarification--'do you mean *totally* new updates, or things like
RobotMasters which have already been out for months or years, and so
by the time they come out in America the fans would already have had
the chance to buy them for an equal or lesser amount of money?"
Hasbro: "Assume for the moment we're discussing all-new designs.")


And we saw the first images of resin Classics Starscream and Megatron in June 2005.

Have to wonder just how confident they were, back at that time, in making this decision. Maybe they were really trying to draw a firm line between their core product and the recent animes?


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#2 lastmaximal

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:04 AM

I remember poring over that report, and being genuinely impressed and glad that the conference call had taken place. It was a cool thing to have happen, and has gotten cooler in hindsight.

Edited by lastmaximal, 22 February 2012 - 03:27 AM.


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#3 Spark

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:23 AM

I remember doing the same. Shame it hasn't come around again, because I'd say that was really the start of Hasbro's real corporate interaction with the fans, as opposed to strictly convention-related stuff or not-quite-acknowledged stuff like Orson's World. I think the Transformer website's first looks at upcoming stuff kicked in around the same time, too.
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#4 M Sipher

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:12 AM

It wasn't the first time they'd done something like this... just the first demi-public one. They'd been kind of ambivalently dipping the toe into "back to G1 kinda stuff" for a bit then.


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#5 lastmaximal

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:31 AM

The other reactions in that thread remind me of why it's also fun to look back at FANDOM thought/reaction processes. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:05 AM

I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:49 AM

^ You mean... Machine Wars? Although the wiki says that the announcement was made at BotCon 1996, not 1997.

Edited by Item42, 22 February 2012 - 09:49 AM.

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:52 AM

No, definitely not.
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#9 Fear or Courage

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:18 PM

Man, this just makes me think. When I came into the online fandom during the Beast Era, people would have crapped their pants if they knew in a decade we'd be getting something like Classics. Back then we were happy when Starscream cameo'd in a Beast Wars episode.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

Someones been useing the Delorean again...

I rember disscussing this back then someone even suggested choping up G1 molds just to give thim ball joints

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 22 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.

Actually, those popped up around 2000, or 2001. I know they appeared during the Beast Machines days, well after Botcon 1997.

I'm not sure what gargunkle is talking about, I do recall reading about the "G1 sequel line with modern engineering and Rodimus, Arcee, and Starscream" being talked about in 1996, but don't recall anything in 1997 (maybe because Machine Wars had hit and such?).


Something I do kind of miss from that era? When homages and remakes were considered special, and it was a TREAT to see such in the mainline. Now? The more recent fans (the ones brought in by Classics and the movie) are just HORRENDOUSLY spoiled (Note: While I joined HERE in 2006, I've been active since 2003 at TFW, and following the line since 1997). For all the complaints about distribution and such, Transformers fans are astoundingly well taken care of. For every wave or two that doesn't see solid saturations, you've already had another half dozen filled with fan favorites.

Edited by Steevy Maximus, 22 February 2012 - 08:18 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:41 PM

In my Beast-era rereading I came across a few discussions on a TF G3, some even tied to suposed Toy Fair 96 announcements. It has been fun to read back in assorted eras, knowing what I know now. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:30 PM

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-What about Star Wars Unleashed? Would TF fans want immobile "action
shots" of major characters like that? (Universal response was 'no'.
Not a single person involved in the conference call had bought any of
the statues or busts, and nobody seemed to like the possibility of an
Unleashed line.)

Considering how unanimous it was, it's surprising that they made Unleashed for the first movie anyway.

QUOTE(Steevy Maximus @ Feb 22 2012, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 22 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.

Actually, those popped up around 2000, or 2001. I know they appeared during the Beast Machines days, well after Botcon 1997.

It was earlier than that: I remember reading about that Heroes of Cybertron line around the same time that the last episodes of Beast Wars first aired, which was in 1999.

And when I Google "Heroes of Cybertron 1999", I find this: they were unvelied at New Jersey Toy Expo on March 13, 1999.
http://www.reocities...menuHEROES.html

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:31 PM

Geez, that takes me back; I'd forgotten those had ever been planned!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:16 AM

Whoa. I had no idea these even existed.

Odd how everyone has their G1 designs, except for Optimus, who has some kind of proto-U.T. look.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, they're all kind of loose interpretations of their original designs, like modern CHUG. Optimus is just the most obvious one due to his arm and shoulder structure.

Edited by Fear or Courage, 23 February 2012 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE(Moroboshi @ Feb 22 2012, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Geez, that takes me back; I'd forgotten those had ever been planned!

Same here. How time doth fly!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 23 2012, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was earlier than that: I remember reading about that Heroes of Cybertron line around the same time that the last episodes of Beast Wars first aired, which was in 1999.

And when I Google "Heroes of Cybertron 1999", I find this: they were unvelied at New Jersey Toy Expo on March 13, 1999.
http://www.reocities...menuHEROES.html

Wow, that page looks really old. Seriously.
QUOTE
Sadly, it appears that "HEROES OF CYBERTRON" will remain only a concept. An idea that will probably never materialize into the form of an actual toy line.

I guess it never actually got updated. Oddly enough, the site's main page has been updated, and acknowledges that HOC did get made, but not that specific page.

Edited by Item42, 23 February 2012 - 02:23 AM.

I forgot that spaghetti was a pasta really.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:17 AM

I miss 90s style web design this brings me back

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