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@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2016 - 06:53 AM)

I think I'm just too used to metal to not understand the lyrics.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 September 2016 - 06:02 AM)

it's a vile interruption, chess the scripture way

@  Pennpenn : (26 September 2016 - 03:49 AM)

I've had versions where the issue doesn't come up (or at least doesn't come up in the part I notice the most), but the version that got remastered for Bluray and DVD releases have it.

@  Nevermore : (26 September 2016 - 02:05 AM)

I initially misheard "flying tools of torment" as "we're flyin' into some torment".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (26 September 2016 - 01:08 AM)

If it's a problem with all released versions, maybe the original audio source was itself damaged?

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 09:30 PM)

I wish they'd relase a remastered version that fixed the audio and included at least had an option to have the text crawl rather than the credits at the start.

@  Telly : (25 September 2016 - 09:27 PM)

tryin to buy the movie from amazon for $20-ish. the price of it has been fluctuating like crazy. not a day has gone by that it hasnt dropped to one price and then gone back up a few hours later. never seen a price fluctuate so much

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 07:57 PM)

Then again, a lot of versions of the movie had pretty bad sound quality, even the most recent blu-rays mess it up in places, so it's not as much our fault if we misheard stuff.

@  Arazyr : (25 September 2016 - 07:28 PM)

When I first heard it, half of it may as well have been in a foreign language, for all I could make out. (Of course, I can say that about most music...)

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 07:14 PM)

I can't remember entirely, and I can't "hear" anything but the actual lyrics now, but I remember "I am born to hurt you, I'll break the boundless sky" as how my brain parsed the first words.

@  Nevermore : (25 September 2016 - 07:01 PM)

So what did you hear?

@  Pennpenn : (25 September 2016 - 06:39 PM)

I almost completely misinterpreted the lyrics for that song for ages, and when I did find out what they were I thought my idea of the lyrics was better.

@  Nevermore : (25 September 2016 - 06:29 PM)

So apparently the 2016 remake of "Instruments of Destruction" is out. I'm still waiting for an Amazon download to become available, but the clips I heard thus far sound cool. They're using the uncensored lyrics!

@  Bass X0 : (25 September 2016 - 03:02 PM)

:(

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 September 2016 - 08:25 AM)

Sorry bebbeh, I'm taken.

@  Bass X0 : (25 September 2016 - 08:18 AM)

Alpha-Q!

@  zephyrX9 : (25 September 2016 - 01:06 AM)

You know, while the Personality Ticks were part of my second least favorite mtmte arc, I'd love to see them show up in ROM

@  ShadowMan024 : (24 September 2016 - 06:54 PM)

But can you breathe in space?

@  Nevermore : (24 September 2016 - 04:26 PM)

I'M BATMAN!

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 September 2016 - 03:59 PM)

I AM OPTIMUS PRIME

@  Rycochet : (24 September 2016 - 03:47 PM)

That Sam-I-am! That Sam-I-am! I do not like that Sam-I-am!

@  Steevy Maximus : (24 September 2016 - 03:37 PM)

I am...MEGATRON! RAAAAAAAR!!

@  ShadowMan024 : (24 September 2016 - 01:02 PM)

I. AM. IRON MAN.

@  Telly : (24 September 2016 - 12:56 PM)

i am the i am i am the i am

@  ▲ndrusi : (24 September 2016 - 10:51 AM)

I am Sam. Sam-I-Am.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 September 2016 - 07:54 AM)

I am the walrus! Googoogajoob!

@  Bass X0 : (24 September 2016 - 05:18 AM)

I am Sinistar! Beware, I live! RUN! RUN! RUN!

@  Waspinator : (24 September 2016 - 05:04 AM)

EMPTY EYES, NEVER BLINKING! ARMORED SCALES, BUT NEVER SINKING!

@  Telly : (23 September 2016 - 11:09 PM)

you are what we TELL you you are!

@  ▲ndrusi : (23 September 2016 - 05:05 PM)

I am more than a robot! Die, Wily!

@  MEDdMI : (23 September 2016 - 01:14 PM)

*murgle murgle murgle*

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2016 - 12:58 PM)

I am more than a fish! I am more than a man!

@  ShadowMan024 : (23 September 2016 - 10:36 AM)

I'm Aqua Man, but you can call me handsome!

@  LBD "Nyt... : (23 September 2016 - 06:04 AM)

Oh, all the talk about GNR Mega Man names and such, and I thought maybe people were talking about me for a sec. XP

@  Whirl Maximus : (23 September 2016 - 04:42 AM)

Transformers 5 filmed in the city closest to me and nobody informed me? And here I was wasting my Saturday dogsitting for a mate!

@  Robowang : (22 September 2016 - 07:36 PM)

NIPPLY PORPOOOOOOISE

@  Superomegaprime : (22 September 2016 - 06:49 PM)

opps, wrong part!

@  Superomegaprime : (22 September 2016 - 06:48 PM)

youtube

@  Xellos : (22 September 2016 - 05:25 PM)

Neon Tiger's stage music from Mega Man X3 was also pretty much straight from Guns 'N Roses' "My Michelle". X5 also renamed all the Mavericks as references to GNR.

@  Dracula : (22 September 2016 - 02:26 PM)

the band name is Journey btw.

@  Bass X0 : (22 September 2016 - 02:25 PM)

i never heard Journey before today (BBC R2 Ken Bruce Show) but recognised it immediately.

@  ShadowMan024 : (22 September 2016 - 02:15 PM)

Shade Man's theme sounds like a mariachi song.

@  ShadowMan024 : (22 September 2016 - 02:13 PM)

Yeah. Lots of Mega Man songs are copied from bigger songs.

@  Bass X0 : (22 September 2016 - 12:50 PM)

Did Capcom copy Elec Man's stage theme from Journey by Faithfully?

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 September 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Things that make you go "blergh".

@  ShadowMan024 : (22 September 2016 - 10:54 AM)

why would you post that

@  Dracula : (22 September 2016 - 10:20 AM)

Robowang I'm glad I can always count on you to fulfill my quota of gross body information in the shoutbox

@  Robowang : (22 September 2016 - 07:07 AM)

Carving off genital warts with an x-acto knife is more fun than I assumed. Thank goodness for Anbesol, though.

@  Whirl Maximus : (22 September 2016 - 05:59 AM)

Problem solved, the nests dying off from natural causes. That's how you do it with ALL lawsuits, DELAY!

@  Paladin : (21 September 2016 - 04:03 PM)

your firearms are USELESS against them!!!


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Pre-CHUGUR: Looking back at Hasbro's thought processes


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#1 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:06 AM


Have I mentioned recently that it's nice that the ATT archive never ever goes away?

http://groups.google...r...botMasters

QUOTE(Hasbro to fan roundtable - November 2004)
"Think of the Star Wars Vintage Collection series, with old-fashioned
packaging and all-new mold updates of vintage characters. Would that
be interesting for Transformers? Would fans be willing to pay more
money than a toy's size point usually gets, if the money went into
extra detailing and features and/or better packaging? (I asked for
clarification--'do you mean *totally* new updates, or things like
RobotMasters which have already been out for months or years, and so
by the time they come out in America the fans would already have had
the chance to buy them for an equal or lesser amount of money?"
Hasbro: "Assume for the moment we're discussing all-new designs.")


And we saw the first images of resin Classics Starscream and Megatron in June 2005.

Have to wonder just how confident they were, back at that time, in making this decision. Maybe they were really trying to draw a firm line between their core product and the recent animes?


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:04 AM

I remember poring over that report, and being genuinely impressed and glad that the conference call had taken place. It was a cool thing to have happen, and has gotten cooler in hindsight.

Edited by lastmaximal, 22 February 2012 - 03:27 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:23 AM

I remember doing the same. Shame it hasn't come around again, because I'd say that was really the start of Hasbro's real corporate interaction with the fans, as opposed to strictly convention-related stuff or not-quite-acknowledged stuff like Orson's World. I think the Transformer website's first looks at upcoming stuff kicked in around the same time, too.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:12 AM

It wasn't the first time they'd done something like this... just the first demi-public one. They'd been kind of ambivalently dipping the toe into "back to G1 kinda stuff" for a bit then.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 03:31 AM

The other reactions in that thread remind me of why it's also fun to look back at FANDOM thought/reaction processes. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:05 AM

I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:49 AM

^ You mean... Machine Wars? Although the wiki says that the announcement was made at BotCon 1996, not 1997.

Edited by Item42, 22 February 2012 - 09:49 AM.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:52 AM

No, definitely not.
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#9 Fear or Courage

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 01:18 PM

Man, this just makes me think. When I came into the online fandom during the Beast Era, people would have crapped their pants if they knew in a decade we'd be getting something like Classics. Back then we were happy when Starscream cameo'd in a Beast Wars episode.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

Transmetals was sort of a big damn deal, because hey, wheels! icon-fire.gif

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:10 PM

Someones been useing the Delorean again...

I rember disscussing this back then someone even suggested choping up G1 molds just to give thim ball joints

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 22 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.

Actually, those popped up around 2000, or 2001. I know they appeared during the Beast Machines days, well after Botcon 1997.

I'm not sure what gargunkle is talking about, I do recall reading about the "G1 sequel line with modern engineering and Rodimus, Arcee, and Starscream" being talked about in 1996, but don't recall anything in 1997 (maybe because Machine Wars had hit and such?).


Something I do kind of miss from that era? When homages and remakes were considered special, and it was a TREAT to see such in the mainline. Now? The more recent fans (the ones brought in by Classics and the movie) are just HORRENDOUSLY spoiled (Note: While I joined HERE in 2006, I've been active since 2003 at TFW, and following the line since 1997). For all the complaints about distribution and such, Transformers fans are astoundingly well taken care of. For every wave or two that doesn't see solid saturations, you've already had another half dozen filled with fan favorites.

Edited by Steevy Maximus, 22 February 2012 - 08:18 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:41 PM

In my Beast-era rereading I came across a few discussions on a TF G3, some even tied to suposed Toy Fair 96 announcements. It has been fun to read back in assorted eras, knowing what I know now. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:30 PM

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-What about Star Wars Unleashed? Would TF fans want immobile "action
shots" of major characters like that? (Universal response was 'no'.
Not a single person involved in the conference call had bought any of
the statues or busts, and nobody seemed to like the possibility of an
Unleashed line.)

Considering how unanimous it was, it's surprising that they made Unleashed for the first movie anyway.

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QUOTE(GALVATRON I @ Feb 22 2012, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 06:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I recall there was something back at BotCon 1997 that got me anticipating basically Classics. An update G1 type line.


Heroes of Cybetron, the original line. Long forgotten - it was to be Action Master style though. But the robots looked a lot better, I especially liked the anime styled designs. I know some site had pics back in the day, not sure if they are still around or not.

Actually, those popped up around 2000, or 2001. I know they appeared during the Beast Machines days, well after Botcon 1997.

It was earlier than that: I remember reading about that Heroes of Cybertron line around the same time that the last episodes of Beast Wars first aired, which was in 1999.

And when I Google "Heroes of Cybertron 1999", I find this: they were unvelied at New Jersey Toy Expo on March 13, 1999.
http://www.reocities...menuHEROES.html

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:31 PM

Geez, that takes me back; I'd forgotten those had ever been planned!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:16 AM

Whoa. I had no idea these even existed.

Odd how everyone has their G1 designs, except for Optimus, who has some kind of proto-U.T. look.

Edit: Upon closer inspection, they're all kind of loose interpretations of their original designs, like modern CHUG. Optimus is just the most obvious one due to his arm and shoulder structure.

Edited by Fear or Courage, 23 February 2012 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE(Moroboshi @ Feb 22 2012, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Geez, that takes me back; I'd forgotten those had ever been planned!

Same here. How time doth fly!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE(NovaSaber @ Feb 23 2012, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was earlier than that: I remember reading about that Heroes of Cybertron line around the same time that the last episodes of Beast Wars first aired, which was in 1999.

And when I Google "Heroes of Cybertron 1999", I find this: they were unvelied at New Jersey Toy Expo on March 13, 1999.
http://www.reocities...menuHEROES.html

Wow, that page looks really old. Seriously.
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Sadly, it appears that "HEROES OF CYBERTRON" will remain only a concept. An idea that will probably never materialize into the form of an actual toy line.

I guess it never actually got updated. Oddly enough, the site's main page has been updated, and acknowledges that HOC did get made, but not that specific page.

Edited by Item42, 23 February 2012 - 02:23 AM.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 03:17 AM

I miss 90s style web design this brings me back

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