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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 Nanite

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

Found my first Botshots today, and I'm enamored. The thought that there are at least 44 of these little buggers planned makes me happy.

I doubt I'll go completest, but I would at least like to try and get all the clear versions, since clear chase figures are like catnip for me.

Of course, that means sentinel was only one I haven't found yet.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:27 PM

Dammit people share my enthusiasm! SHARE IT!

I figured out the trick to getting optimus back in vehicle mode: His head is slightly articulated, and needs to be pushed back to catch the clasp on the hood.

These are also some of the few transformers I can transform with one hand.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 10:47 PM

They're pretty cool. I bought Cyberverse Ratchet today (to turn into a CHUGUR Fixit) but it was really a struggle not to buy some Bot Shots.

The two I bought for my nephew for his birthday looked like a lot of little fun. If I had unlimited TF funds I would buy them all. As is they're probably gonna be something I just get a few of. A three pack to play with with my son might be cool

I LOVE the breadth of characters we're getting. Doing things like Jetfire/Skyfire and Acidstorm, THAT'S the sort of vision what will win me over to buying me some.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:08 AM

$5 seems like too much for them, but I might get some if I can use the current $3 coupon (which some have reported works).
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:13 AM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 22 2012, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
$5 seems like too much for them, but I might get some if I can use the current $3 coupon (which some have reported works).


$3.99 at Target and Walmart. That's not too bad.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:16 AM

Yeah I bought the first wave at $5 each which is too expensive. I like them a lot but I picture them taking up a lot of room. I don't know if I'll buy them all but I will definitely be getting Jetfire, Thundercracker, and the Acid Storm 3 pack. Having them at $4 makes it a little easier to swallow.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:59 AM

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:33 AM

Hmm, they don't seem to be in my DPCI list... anyone know the Target DPCI for them? If I could get them for 3.99 minus $3 coupon, I am there!
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:35 PM

The price does feel high, but they're more complicated then a legends toy, I think.

The three packs should be under $10 at retail, so that's a better price ratio:

http://www.bigbadtoy...amp;mode=retail

Hasbro seems serious about shortpacking the clear variants!

Anyone seen the pre-production blue starburst show up in person?
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:37 PM

I have to admit I have a concern that I will start collecting them and then the line will be cancelled, leaving me disappointed - like with Robot Heroes. I should get around to selling those, but I think there's little market for them.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:43 PM

Apparently the Bot Shots DPCI at Target is 087-06-0498
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:19 PM

I think this is the weekend Target will do it;s TF reset, hopefully. Bot shot Extra Value! 3-packs appeared at Toys R Us today, for $15 each... I passed.

3-pack Bumblebee is a different shade of yellow from the single-carded version, I don't know if his or Sentinel's stats are different.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:21 PM

I think Botshot chases are the shortest-packed figures I've seen since classic: one per case of twelve. Usually shortpacks are one-per case of eight.

I just wish they would start turning up at Target and Walmart!

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:16 AM

QUOTE(Nanite @ Feb 24 2012, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this is the weekend Target will do it;s TF reset, hopefully. Bot shot Extra Value! 3-packs appeared at Toys R Us today, for $15 each... I passed.

3-pack Bumblebee is a different shade of yellow from the single-carded version, I don't know if his or Sentinel's stats are different.


I'm kinda just surprised how cheap the 3-packs are. Considering the freight/packaging savings, I kinda wish they'd just dump the singles and do 3-packs.

I compared single vs. set Bee and Sentinel, and the numbers are indeed different. (3-pack Bumblebee has a fisting of 765 while single has 110, for example.) Optimus Prime's launcher number is different from single. I haven't checked Megatrons yet.

I'd also like to note Bumblebee has different wheels (grey), different windows (black), and a surprise bonus paint application-- 3-pack Bee has some silver on his grill.

Painted Sentinel Prime looks GREAT. He'll make an awesome Ultra Magnus if the time ever comes, and I'm not burned out on the same molds being repainted by then.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 03:45 AM

I bought one of these things today.

I don't like them.

Perhaps a few days of playing with it on my desk will change my mind, but I will probably be more enamored with the feeling I have of not needing to buy any more.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:42 AM

I've seen these at a couple stores, picked em up, looked em over and asked, "Are three of these actually worth the same to me as a deluxe? Even a crappy PRID one?"

THe answer was no.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 07:50 AM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 29 2012, 04:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've seen these at a couple stores, picked em up, looked em over and asked, "Are three of these actually worth the same to me as a deluxe? Even a crappy PRID one?"

THe answer was no.



This is the same problem I had with the Robot Heroes. I thought they were cute as heck and I can't tell you how many times I picked them up and considered buying a set. But it always came down to "I could get these, or, for the same price I could get an actual main-line Transformer toy that actually transforms." The Robot Heroes pretty much always went back.


-ZacWilliam, though I like the gimick and they do tf, these will probably be the same for me. Only a beloved character would likely break through that barrier. I'm seriously considering the Jet/Skyfire. We'll see when he actually shows up...

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM


The game is Online at last. Interesting. Cybertropolis is the once capital of Bot Shot Cybertron and gang leader Acid Storm is the first boss.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:52 PM

i'll probably end up nabbing just a couple of these

i like the auto-transform and the cuteness and collectibility of them but at 3.99 a pop [for such tiny toys] im gonna be pretty selective


Optimus and Lockdown are for sure buys for me. beyond them, i havent really made up my mind yet

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 03:03 PM


Theres a very cool Image of Cybertron to choose your arena.
Locations you will be able to play at when the game launches in full in MAY:

Six Lasers Over Cybertron (SERIOUSLY! huge smile here!)
Crystal City (A floating City here)
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