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@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.


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#1 SilverFirePrime

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:01 PM

I don't know if any other regions are having this issue, but I can say that southwestern PA has been a nightmare for any new product. No Prime, no FE, not even wave 5 of the MechTech. I've poked around on the sightings, but nothing near me. Just RotF eyesores and empty pegs as far as the eyes can see Anyone else feeling the boredom/frustration?

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:07 PM

Wait 'til March 1st.

Or take the DPCI numbers to Target and ask them to pull a case from in back.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:16 PM

I got my wave 1 Prime deluxes (Soundwave and Wheeljack) weeks ago at the Mt. Nebo store. I called beforehand and they pulled the figures I asked, and held them at electronics.

(We're in the same area)

The Century III Mall Walmart kind of sucks though, very disappointing.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 21 2012, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait 'til March 1st.

Or take the DPCI numbers to Target and ask them to pull a case from in back.


Target has the set date for Prime as Sunday, Feb 26th.

QUOTE(SilverFirePrime @ Feb 21 2012, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know if any other regions are having this issue, but I can say that southwestern PA has been a nightmare for any new product. No Prime, no FE, not even wave 5 of the MechTech. I've poked around on the sightings, but nothing near me. Just RotF eyesores and empty pegs as far as the eyes can see Anyone else feeling the boredom/frustration?


Wave 5 of the DotM deluxes (Air Raid, Armor Topsin, Dark Steel) has been out here and there and has hit partial saturation. Kohl's and Target in particular have gotten them in in decent numbers.

Prime First Edition was canceled in the US and Toys'R'Us is more than likely not going to stock any more of the first wave of deluxes which they had over the holiday.

Prime RiD is coming shortly...Target stores have received stock, Walmarts have received stock and put some of it out, and Toys'R'Us stores have been receiving stock and putting it out since a couple of weeks ago.

Edited by Quantumhawk, 21 February 2012 - 12:40 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:36 PM

Don't worry, in a few weeks we'll be sick and tired of seeing Prime toys in stores and be bitching why there isn't any new Prime or Generations out yet.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:17 PM

Dude, Spoilers!

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE(shellspark @ Feb 21 2012, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't worry, in a few weeks we'll be sick and tired of seeing Prime toys in stores and be bitching why there isn't any new Prime or Generations out yet.


We'll be sick of seeing Prime bumblebee, that's for sure.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:26 PM

The only store in my area that has Prime figures is a Toys R' Us with three Bumblebees.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:33 PM

QUOTE(Quantumhawk @ Feb 21 2012, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wave 5 of the DotM deluxes (Air Raid, Armor Topsin, Dark Steel) has been out here and there and has hit partial saturation. Kohl's and Target in particular have gotten them in in decent numbers.


I want to live in your area. The only thing the Targets in my area has is a handful of wave 1 and 2 figures.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 01:53 PM

central PA has had nothing for months and I have stopped collecting in that time, encore devastator is the only exception
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:20 PM

I don't read TFW2005 much anymore but one section I like there is the sightings by state. You might be able to get a lead on figures in your area or even make some friends who will pick them up for you or send you a text if they see something you want.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:29 PM

I see it all over the place. I even think i found wave 2.



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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:39 PM


Just did a store run around here.

TRU - 2 RiD Bumblebee, 3 RiD Voyager Optimus, 2-pegs full of Cyberverse Prime BB and Cliffjumper+1 Cyb Ratchet and 1 Cyb Vehicon, and LOTS of Bot Shots.

Target - One case of Prime Cyberverse.

Walmart - nothin yet.


ZacWilliam, yeah, the Pre-Easter season reset will likely bring these to saturation... Just wait a couple weeks.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:48 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 21 2012, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't read TFW2005 much anymore but one section I like there is the sightings by state. You might be able to get a lead on figures in your area or even make some friends who will pick them up for you or send you a text if they see something you want.



I used to run the Sightings Forum here and my opinion is that both are valuable. Sightings by State for the reasons you state, and sightings by figure give a better idea of which store chains to check and what level of saturation the figures have hit. If you collect for a while you get a sense of people in your area anyway.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 02:51 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 21 2012, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't read TFW2005 much anymore but one section I like there is the sightings by state. You might be able to get a lead on figures in your area or even make some friends who will pick them up for you or send you a text if they see something you want.

On tfw there is a thread where you can search target stores and see if its in stock.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:08 PM

It's not a TFW-specific thing, it's at Target's web site:

http://sites.target....pci=087-06-2386

Just change the URL to have whatever DPCI you want to search. Here are some of the most recent:

087-06-0563 Cyberverse Legion $4.99
087-06-0573 Cyberverse Commander $7.99
087-06-0236 Transformers Commander with DV $8.99
087-06-0581 Cyberverse Vehicle $19.99
087-06-0621 Cyberverse Bumblebee Stinger $29.99

087-06-0546 Transformers DLX Figure Asst $12.99
087-06-0569 Transformers Voyager Asst $19.99
087-06-0631 Transformers Entertainment Pack $29.99
087-06-0593 Battle Action Transformers Tran $32.99

087-06-0565 Movie All Star Deluxe $11.99
087-06-0609 All Star Voyager $19.99
087-06-0641 All Star Ultra Optimus $29.99

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:25 PM

Also note that Walmart has started their store inventory this week, so depending on store/region, they might not be putting out new product for another week or two. To make inventory easier, managers (when I worked there) were often told NOT to put out extra product unless absolutely necessary (a case is easier to count than 12 pegged figures)

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:02 AM

I found some Prime First Edition Cliffjumpers yesterday, after not seeing anything on the pegs at my nearest TRU for a few weeks. Stuff is out there.

No Bulkhead, though.
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE(gargunkle @ Feb 21 2012, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not a TFW-specific thing, it's at Target's web site:

http://sites.target....pci=087-06-2386

Just change the URL to have whatever DPCI you want to search. Here are some of the most recent:

087-06-0563 Cyberverse Legion $4.99
087-06-0573 Cyberverse Commander $7.99
087-06-0236 Transformers Commander with DV $8.99
087-06-0581 Cyberverse Vehicle $19.99
087-06-0621 Cyberverse Bumblebee Stinger $29.99

087-06-0546 Transformers DLX Figure Asst $12.99
087-06-0569 Transformers Voyager Asst $19.99
087-06-0631 Transformers Entertainment Pack $29.99
087-06-0593 Battle Action Transformers Tran $32.99

087-06-0565 Movie All Star Deluxe $11.99
087-06-0609 All Star Voyager $19.99
087-06-0641 All Star Ultra Optimus $29.99



I believe the Voyager DPCI is wrong on that list. The correct one is 087-06-0807.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:38 PM

Oh yeah, apparently Target has RiD voyagers under the DPCI that FE was to have, or something?
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