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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#1 Touch My Thighs

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 04:56 AM

Incidentally, gameplay footage.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:32 AM

Gameplay footage of Fall of Cybertron.




Edit this has already been linked in the Fall of Cybertron not going to Pc Thread. (thats what I get for not checking). This can be deleted?

Edited by MonsterFromMars, 17 February 2012 - 07:35 AM.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Smolder-and-his-pal-Chopster/1497598050488573

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:11 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 17 2012, 04:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


I like that we have a certain Citybot confirmed. (Now THERE's a toy for next year. If done right)

Biggest misfire of the trailer is Onslaught not having a British accent. That really kinda threw me.

Other than that things looked ok.


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:18 AM

QUOTE(MonsterFromMars @ Feb 17 2012, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Edit this has already been linked in the Fall of Cybertron not going to Pc Thread. (thats what I get for not checking). This can be deleted?

Nah, it deserves it's own thread separate from the PC one.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:20 AM

looking good!

..still need decide which platform to get it on :/

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:49 AM

I can't help but wonder if the big SDCC exclusive is a retool of Optimus Maximus as Metroplex with HIGHLIGHT to view:
Metroplex being mentioned in the FoC article.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:55 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 17 2012, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't help but wonder if the big SDCC exclusive is a retool of Optimus Maximus as Metroplex with HIGHLIGHT to view:
Metroplex being mentioned in the FoC article.

Randy


I'm hoping instead he's a Leader toy for next years "40 Generation figures." I just don't like the "girder and space" not-really-transforming design of OpMax. Not for Metroplex at least, who should be much cooler and better designed than that.


-ZacWilliam, imaging if there will be Leaders in the 40, I would actually be OK with one of them just being another Optimus Prime. IF it were Powermaster Optimus Prime.


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:11 AM

I'd be very surprised if we got any Leader sized figures in Generations. Happy, but very surprised.

I love how Vortex uses his rotors as a shield when Bruticus.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:17 AM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 17 2012, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd be very surprised if we got any Leader sized figures in Generations. Happy, but very surprised.

I love how Vortex uses his rotors as a shield when Bruticus.

Randy


Depends if Generations ends up being our only TF line next year. Or at very least the main one. Which sounds very possible at this rate. If so it is definately possible it might expand into other size classes. Not holding my breath mind you, but I think it's in the realm of possible. Botcon will hopefully tell us more.


-ZacWilliam, Yes I like what they did with both arms of Bruticus. Using Vortex's blades as a sheild and Blast-Off's engines as a super blaster is really smart creative use of the design. icon-hotrod.gif


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 17 2012, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 17 2012, 04:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


I like that we have a certain Citybot confirmed. (Now THERE's a toy for next year. If done right)

Biggest misfire of the trailer is Onslaught not having a British accent. That really kinda threw me.

Other than that things looked ok.


-ZacWilliam hoping the story and world play as enjoyably as the first,


Wait, what trailer? Do they come back to it later on in the episode or something? All I saw was that interview with some gameplay of Optimus, Jazz, and 5 seconds of Bruticus being talked over.

Edit: Call me lazy, but I dislike "game news" programs enough that the prospect of wading through one is very unappealing.

Edited by Fear or Courage, 17 February 2012 - 10:32 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Feb 17 2012, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
-ZacWilliam, Yes I like what they did with both arms of Bruticus. Using Vortex's blades as a sheild and Blast-Off's engines as a super blaster is really smart creative use of the design. icon-hotrod.gif

Now we need Devastator with a Mixing-Drum gatling gun thingamajig! icon-hotrod.gif

Edited by Cabooceratops, 17 February 2012 - 10:39 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:42 AM

Is there a Youtube link to the video yet?

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:55 AM

You can PLAY as Bruticus! AWESOME.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 11:40 AM

Wish the gameplay clips lasted bit longer. Hard to tell if it looks good or not.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:51 PM

Looked awesome!

METROPLEX! Playable Gestalts! WOOT!

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:07 PM

Cool (perhaps unintentional) callback to the Combaticons commercial, where they fought Metroplex. Now they are both introduced as the giants in this game.



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Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

Nice catch, mignash!

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:33 AM

And you even have Optimus Prime introducing him, just like in the game!

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 12:07 PM

More info here

http://www.youtube.c...98fFUAAAAAAAAAA

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 12:40 PM

not liking the sound of "OPTIMUS PRIME'S LEVEL" ... >_>

wish Jeff had taken the old EP style with him instead of the new one icon-screamer.gif
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