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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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#61 D.M

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:13 AM

Wait a minute... maybe we could play this with an emulator?
Anyone know any good ones for PS3 or Xbox?

Edited by D.M, 18 February 2012 - 06:14 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2012 - 06:53 AM

............... Maybe in 7 years, but I doubt it.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:22 AM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 18 2012, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait a minute... maybe we could play this with an emulator?
Anyone know any good ones for PS3 or Xbox?



No chance in hell, they're still struggling to the get a PS2 one working.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 02:00 PM

Well... so much for that idea.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 03:18 PM

Ah well. I'm not a fan of shoddy console ports (which I'm sure it would be), but I also absolutely despise having to play shooters on console gamepads.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 04:42 PM

Totaly opposite cant play shooters with mouse and keyboard
Buy Im deadly with a controler

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:47 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 18 2012, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Totaly opposite cant play shooters with mouse and keyboard
Buy Im deadly with a controler

Auto-aim doesn't count.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:51 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 19 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(tec @ Feb 18 2012, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Totaly opposite cant play shooters with mouse and keyboard
Buy Im deadly with a controler

Auto-aim doesn't count.


I assume you mean aim assist? PC games have that too.

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#70 D.M

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:33 PM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 19 2012, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 19 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(tec @ Feb 18 2012, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Totaly opposite cant play shooters with mouse and keyboard
Buy Im deadly with a controler

Auto-aim doesn't count.


I assume you mean aim assist? PC games have that too.

Only wusses switch it on. icon-op.gif

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 09:43 PM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 19 2012, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 19 2012, 02:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 19 2012, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(tec @ Feb 18 2012, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Totaly opposite cant play shooters with mouse and keyboard
Buy Im deadly with a controler

Auto-aim doesn't count.


I assume you mean aim assist? PC games have that too.

Only wusses switch it on. icon-op.gif


Sure sure, but Tec is still a great gamer with a controller.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 12:26 AM

Eh, I don't buy all this "lack of technical expertise" stuff. If there was good money to be made with a port, it would be coming out on the PC. Apparently, they don't think it is worth their time. I pretty much only play games on my 360 these days so it doesn't affect me, but it sucks for all the fans out there who only own a PC. Who knows, maybe they'll still release it a on PC a couple months after the console versions.

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 12:33 AM

Thank you Hora Hora

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 18 2012, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Totaly opposite cant play shooters with mouse and keyboard
Buy Im deadly with a controler


I have assumed you and your keyboard are not exactly best of friends... icon-fire.gif
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:26 PM

QUOTE(StarScreamZX @ Feb 19 2012, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, I don't buy all this "lack of technical expertise" stuff. If there was good money to be made with a port, it would be coming out on the PC. Apparently, they don't think it is worth their time.

Probably a bit both; "We don't have the technical expertise in-house, and paying an outsider is cost prohibitive".

Having spoken to my brother about it, seems he has a 360 in his loft and it could be plugged into my monitor, keyboard and mouse.. so it looks like you dreadful console-types will be getting the thrashing you deserve after all.

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QUOTE(Specimen-17 @ Feb 22 2012, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(StarScreamZX @ Feb 19 2012, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, I don't buy all this "lack of technical expertise" stuff. If there was good money to be made with a port, it would be coming out on the PC. Apparently, they don't think it is worth their time.

Probably a bit both; "We don't have the technical expertise in-house, and paying an outsider is cost prohibitive".

Having spoken to my brother about it, seems he has a 360 in his loft and it could be plugged into my monitor, keyboard and mouse.. so it looks like you dreadful console-types will be getting the thrashing you deserve after all.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:38 AM

QUOTE(D.M @ Feb 18 2012, 06:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait a minute... maybe we could play this with an emulator?
Anyone know any good ones for PS3 or Xbox?

General emulator rule of thumb is that a PC needs to have about 10 times the power of the original console before development would feasible. You have to have the power to emulate the console first in a PC environment before dealing with the game. And the current generation of consoles is going to be an extremely tough nut to crack because of all the internet and social network aspect interwoven into the systems and games themselves now.

Not to mention system architecture problems. It's been over 15 years and a reliable and consistent Sega Saturn emulator hasn't happened yet because of the Saturn's bizarre internal architecture and graphics processing. It's easier for developers now to rebuild a Saturn game from the ground up a la Guardian Heroes (rebuilt around Xbox architecture), Radiant Silvergun (rebuilt + arcade board emulation), and Sonic R (rewritten for PC, subsequently PC version emulated on consoles later) than it would be to emulate an actual Saturn.
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i have 2 ps3 icon-hotrod.gif one never used maybe i should sell it. i loved WFC can't wait for FOC



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Posted 01 March 2012 - 04:39 AM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 22 2012, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(tec @ Feb 18 2012, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Totaly opposite cant play shooters with mouse and keyboard
Buy Im deadly with a controler


I have assumed you and your keyboard are not exactly best of friends... icon-fire.gif

It goes way back when my keyboard was just a typewriter....

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