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@  Verno : (02 May 2016 - 02:45 AM)

That's a good mantra, Daith.

@  Daith : (02 May 2016 - 02:26 AM)

Catering to the modern maximal with content that promises to seduce, entertain and continuously surprise.

@  Verno : (01 May 2016 - 09:04 PM)

Just trying to get some exposure. It's difficult to get your stuff seen.

@  Touch My Thighs : (01 May 2016 - 08:43 PM)

Verno fanfic power hour, huh?

@  Verno : (01 May 2016 - 08:29 PM)

The cover artwork for Issue #1 of TransWarp: Maxim -- http://tf-tvc.devian...Cover-606488281

@  MEDdMI : (01 May 2016 - 05:22 PM)

didn't know the reference before searching, but the Lizard Queen & fermentarium thing are from Simpsons. https://en.m.wikiped.../Selma's_Choice

@  Smokey : (01 May 2016 - 04:53 PM)

What the hug's a fermentarium?

@  Verno : (01 May 2016 - 04:34 PM)

'Dawn of the Predacus' not your cup of tea? Try TRANSFORMERS: UNITY for your BotCon 2016 comic.

@  MEDdMI : (01 May 2016 - 02:14 PM)

...... *MED's hand appears in the fermentarium, getting closer to TMM, along with the Jaws theme*

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 May 2016 - 01:19 PM)

I wasn't going to go in naked, but it rotted off all my clothes. And then I was already in anyway, so......

@  Paladin : (01 May 2016 - 12:32 PM)

for the last time, stop swimming naked in the fermentarium.

@  MEDdMI : (01 May 2016 - 09:17 AM)

I bring you fresh crickets and worms, my Queen. Your basking lamp is ready for you afterwards.

@  Autobot Bubbs : (01 May 2016 - 09:13 AM)

I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN!!!!!

@  Locoman : (01 May 2016 - 08:59 AM)

I still want a cheetor figure that actually looks like the version we got on the tv show.

@  zephyrX9 : (01 May 2016 - 01:15 AM)

my salt in not getting victorion has turned into salt waiting for TR rewind to go up for preorder. ho-hum

@  Verno : (01 May 2016 - 01:05 AM)

Given how TM Megs suffers from GPS, I'm sure many people would jump at a reissue.

@  Pennpenn : (01 May 2016 - 12:32 AM)

Out of all the hypothetical Beast Wars things, the one I'd like is a leader class Transmetal Megatron

@  Verno : (30 April 2016 - 11:18 PM)

They'd make a superb duo. If TT drew the line under BW MPs after those two, I'd be perfectly content.

@  Smokey : (30 April 2016 - 11:15 PM)

I personally hope we get an MP BW Megs, especially if he has a rubber ducky he can hold, yeeess.

@  Verno : (30 April 2016 - 11:13 PM)

Bring on October and MP Primal so the anniversary celebrations can begin.

@  Smokey : (30 April 2016 - 11:06 PM)

oh hey lok its tecs birthday

@  Smokey : (30 April 2016 - 11:03 PM)

It certainly has, man. If it wasn't for BW I probably wouldn't be here.

@  Verno : (30 April 2016 - 10:15 PM)

Yeah, I threw a link in the Beast Wars Birthday thread. I'm keen to hear as many thoughts on it as possible. The last month has proven just how dear to the hearts of fans BW is.

@  Smokey : (30 April 2016 - 10:04 PM)

I looked at it a few days ago, actually, I saw you post it somewhere here on the forums.

@  Verno : (30 April 2016 - 09:43 PM)

No, they're certainly after their own ends. Cheers for taking a look at it, Smokey. I appreciate it.

@  Smokey : (30 April 2016 - 09:36 PM)

Well, at least you twisted things around so the Tripredacus council aren't minions of Unicron.

@  Verno : (30 April 2016 - 09:30 PM)

With Primus and Unicron, it was my aim for it to double as a celebration of the 30th anniversary of TF:TM.

@  Smokey : (30 April 2016 - 09:27 PM)

It's... Better than Dawn of the Predacus, at least. I could do without the whole Primus v. Unicron thing, that's been done to death.

@  Telly : (30 April 2016 - 09:25 PM)

i went off when i saw unicron

@  Patchouli Kn... : (30 April 2016 - 09:04 PM)

You shall not pass.

@  Touch My Thighs : (30 April 2016 - 09:01 PM)

Pass.

@  Verno : (30 April 2016 - 08:09 PM)

Read my Beast Wars 20th Anniversary comic book pitch to IDW -- TRANSFORMERS: DEICIDE

@  Telly : (30 April 2016 - 08:00 PM)

like paladin says, bbts and the like probly have them (or will get them soon) but are waiting for the hasbro release date before putting up pages

@  Paladin : (30 April 2016 - 05:10 PM)

something about street dates I think...

@  Pennpenn : (30 April 2016 - 10:25 AM)

Any particular reason it's not available in some of the ones I see more often like BBTS and TFSource and so on?

@  unluckiness : (30 April 2016 - 09:55 AM)

Might want to wash your hands after handling the toys if you order from the latter.

@  Paladin : (30 April 2016 - 05:48 AM)

Victorion is also listed in-stock here http://www.ajstoyche...tset_p_102.html and here http://www.poopoopan...Set_p_4832.html

@  tffan01 : (30 April 2016 - 05:42 AM)

@summer, I was wondering why it looks like an ordinary TF group instead of being about TFWiki.

@  zephyrX9 : (30 April 2016 - 12:18 AM)

ok so either ages three and up sold out of victorion or their system is confusing so i guess im getting computron instead. rip my dream of ladybots everywhere

@  Summer : (29 April 2016 - 02:07 PM)

The TFWiki Facebook group has long since been abandoned by the actual TFWiki moderators, and there's little to no affiliation with the actual site.

@  Paladin : (29 April 2016 - 07:58 AM)

Willis needs to make rent again?

@  Foffy the Sheep : (29 April 2016 - 06:46 AM)

Oh, are the Titans Return leaks up on there, too?

@  NightViper : (29 April 2016 - 06:41 AM)

Holy jive! So much porn spam in the TFWiki Facebook group!

@  Foffy the Sheep : (29 April 2016 - 06:34 AM)

SAVE THE BUNNIES!!!!

@  MEDdMI : (29 April 2016 - 05:59 AM)

I know I said I like steely buns, but I didn't literally mean buns made out of steel!

@  Foffy the Sheep : (29 April 2016 - 05:20 AM)

Alligators are really scary, because they can eat you. But you know what's even scarier than alligators? Flying alligators. With laser vision. Scariest environment imaginable.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (29 April 2016 - 02:24 AM)

Rook has a very firm butt. ;)

@  Foffy the Sheep : (29 April 2016 - 02:20 AM)

But his butt is down there, and that's what I want to look at.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 April 2016 - 02:19 AM)

Rook's eyes are up here, Foffy.

@  Foffy the Sheep : (29 April 2016 - 02:14 AM)

Obviously. Rook couldn't very well win the swimsuit competition while he was stuck being a leg, now could he?


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#41 tec

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:02 PM

While I wont make this out to be a console vs PC debate we can take that to Insert Coin

And do feel sorry for thoses that are gonna miss out of FoC due to lack of a PC port

But what I dont get is why a lot of you dont have a next gen system?
Is it because you keep pumping money into your PC to afford one?

This also meens they saved on resorces so maybe we can get some great DLC

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:20 PM

I'm a PS3 owner, so it's not too much of a problem for me.

I've always preferred consoles. The only time I play a game on my computer is when I don't have any other option (ie. I sold my 360 a few years ago, so I play exclusive games on my PC). The supposed improvements of a PC just don't do it for me. To get slightly better graphics, you spend far more on upgrades and the controls tend to suck for most games (I plug a 360 controller in when playing PC games as I hate using the keyboard and mouse).

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 16 2012, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what I dont get is why a lot of you dont have a next gen system?
Is it because you keep pumping money into your PC to afford one?

A PC is something most people have and probably try to keep reasonably up-to-date anyway. So if all the games you want are coming out for the PC, it might make more sense to keep that in top condition than to commit to a console.

Though I'm a console gamer through and through (actually I'm a portable gamer first and foremost, but that is neither here nor there), so emphasis on the "might" there.

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Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:15 PM

Bingo. I haven't had the extra money to commit to buying a console. My PC needs to be replaced, like, yesterday.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Feb 16 2012, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(tec @ Feb 16 2012, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what I dont get is why a lot of you dont have a next gen system?
Is it because you keep pumping money into your PC to afford one?

A PC is something most people have and probably try to keep reasonably up-to-date anyway. So if all the games you want are coming out for the PC, it might make more sense to keep that in top condition than to commit to a console.

Yeah, this is more or less my position. I've never really been a console gamer. I've always been more into turn-based strategy and sandbox games, which don't happen very often on the action-oriented consoles. My fondest gaming memories are of Myst, LOOM, SimCity, Civilization II, and the like. These kinds of games don't usually translate out very well to the controller-centric console world.

That and... I can use my computer for just about everything, with few to no limitations. I can have whatever kind of keyboard I want (mm, ergonomic), whatever mouse I want, whatever speakers I want. I can put whatever software on it I want, I can even put a controller on it and play it like it was a console. While consoles are catching up in that area, I will always take the cantankerous but highly flexible PC over the reliable but limited console.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 16 2012, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
- BB Shockwave, depends on what your definition of "gaming" is. But I am gonna take a guess and say you probably weren't born yet when some of us were playing games on ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64.


Was that Pre-1976?

My Grandfather had a Commodore 64 (I think it's probably still in their basement.) I played a few games he programmed in for it. But we were always a console family. Collecovision with Atari attatchment. Then NES. Then, well every single major console (and some minor) released since then.

We had a couple computers during my childhood, but other than a stint with one of the Space Quest games, and Jeopardy, and You Don't Know Jack it didn't get gamed on much.

Console games just always seemed superior to me. You didn't ever have to worry about wether your system would run them or not or if you'd have to buy new hardware or patch or program or would just be out of luck. You just put the game in and played.


-ZacWilliam, to this day is uncomfortable gaming at his PC. I'd much rather be in a comfy chair with a controller and a big HD tv.


Heh, I am not that old. icon-hotrod.gif Sinclair ZX Spectrum was the first PC (using the word in broad terms) - it needed to be connected to a TV screen and used a special tape recorder for data storage. My dad got one in about 1984-86 to try out a 3D architect software, but he never managed to learn how to work the computer - I on the other hand, was soon writing BASIC programs. I probably still have my Meteors game I programmed on an ancient tape somewhere. icon-hotrod.gif

I guess it's a cultural difference as well - in Hungary, while NES and later SNES made it to the stores shortly before the collapse of the Soviet Union in around 1988, these things were incredibly expensive, and most people could not afford them. Most kids had a C64, and a Gameboy was viewed with awe and reverence. icon-hotrod.gif But when PCs became widespread, they were pretty affordable, and soon people were trading games on floppy disks in school. Ah, memories...

But back on topic - as the esteemed Doctor said before me, I NEED a PC for using various softwares like MS Office tools, Adobe Photoshop, video editing software, not to mention my modding projects on various games - and of course, the internet, watching movies, writing mails, etc... While I'd only use a console for gaming. Well, thing is, my PC can do THAT too.

And as I expressed before, I am not exactly blown away by what consoles can do. Apart from Wii and all these motion-sensor consoles, which I find interesting, just not enough to warrant me shelling out money I could be using for TF purchases (bad habit, but I usually think about all purchases in TF comparisons, when looking for a new coat, what went through my mind was 'I could get at least two complete 88 Targetmasters for this...')

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They didn't release WFC on PC here - I had to buy a PS3 to play it. The news they weren't even going to bother making a PC port for FOC didn't come as much of a surprise.



Where is here? icon-hotrod.gif If you still want one, I keep seeing the PC version of WFC on sale in TESCOs and Auchans these days for 10$ or less. Got Arkham Asylum for a friend for just 3$ too, on a similar sale.

QUOTE(Specimen-17 @ Feb 16 2012, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well I'm disappointed. Never had any issues with single player WFC on the PC other than the lack of remapping controls, but that was only a minor inconvenience. Multiplayer is a joke for the reasons already stated, but I still play it anyway.



Yeah, that control remapping was quite annoying, but in a few weeks someone wrote a program for that to alter the controls as you wished, and that fixed it.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE(^0^CORVUS^o^ @ Feb 16 2012, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In conclusion: I understand that this bothers you, but don't project your ideas of what gaming means and who gamers are based on age. Its a mostly-meaningless distinction that doesn't accomplish anything other than hard-feelings.


My reaction to Zac's post was more because of him saying "Computers are for the Internet. Gaming's for consoles." Which I find highly argueable, hence my question about what he considered 'gaming', hard feelings or not.


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 06:50 PM

Much as I get why they aren't doing a PC port, being someone who owns no consoles, I'm understandably upset.

Makes sense that it's not economical - it may not be a huge amount of effort to do a barebones PC port, but it means doing a lot more testing on varied machines.

Although when it comes to voice chat limitations? Easy solution - release the game only through Steam, which already has voice chat so you can at least use it among friends. That saves you any distribution costs for manufacturing/publishing, too.

And this "Computers aren't for gaming" thing? My copies of Saint's Row the 3rd, Skyrim, Deus Ex, Mass Effect 1 and 2 (and soon 3), and the rest of my Steam library would like to contest that claim.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:01 PM

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While I'd only use a console for gaming.


You can also use them for watching DVDs.

Like if you went to hell, and it was full of blood, and that blood was on fire, and it was raining blood, then maybe that would be enough blood! Eh… but probably not.


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Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(abates @ Feb 16 2012, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They didn't release WFC on PC here - I had to buy a PS3 to play it. The news they weren't even going to bother making a PC port for FOC didn't come as much of a surprise.

Where is here? icon-hotrod.gif If you still want one, I keep seeing the PC version of WFC on sale in TESCOs and Auchans these days for 10$ or less. Got Arkham Asylum for a friend for just 3$ too, on a similar sale.

New Zealand. Thanks for the offer, but I pretty much exhausted its playability on the PS3. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:24 PM

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I think you mean or death, you had me confused for a second there. icon-wildride.gif

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:40 PM

Not surprised by this in the slightest. I'm guessing PC sales were probably minuscule for WfC compared to the console releases, so it wasn't worth the hassle to do a Windows conversion this time around. You PC guys should have seen this coming when they didn't release most (all?) of the add-on content for WfC for the PC.
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Posted 16 February 2012 - 07:45 PM

Glad I got a PS3 for Christmas.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:25 AM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 16 2012, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what I dont get is why a lot of you dont have a next gen system?
Is it because you keep pumping money into your PC to afford one?


I can't speak for everyone. But I don't like console gaming. I'm not really a gamer in general... so there's not much point to buy a console when I don't actually CARE about consoles or console games.

That said, I'm not massively broken up about this either. I might have to borrow my friend's PS3 or something when the game comes out.

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(Or I might just ignore it, as I say, I'm not a fan of console gaming. I'm more at home with a keyboard than a control pad.)

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:16 AM

QUOTE(tec @ Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what I dont get is why a lot of you dont have a next gen system?
Is it because you keep pumping money into your PC to afford one?

I don't play that many games, a PC with a trackball mouse is a better interface for.. well, anything, any previous game I've wanted to play has had a PC release anyway.. Not to mention I actually need a PC for work, and short of playing Blu-Rays, it does anything any console can do.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that a PC is such a money-sink from. I built mine for under ?400 2 years ago, haven't spent a penny on it since and it happily runs Skyrim on Ultra-High settings.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:02 AM

QUOTE(Boltax @ Feb 17 2012, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(tec @ Feb 16 2012, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But what I dont get is why a lot of you dont have a next gen system?
Is it because you keep pumping money into your PC to afford one?


I can't speak for everyone. But I don't like console gaming. I'm not really a gamer in general... so there's not much point to buy a console when I don't actually CARE about consoles or console games.

That said, I'm not massively broken up about this either. I might have to borrow my friend's PS3 or something when the game comes out.

--Andrew S.
(Or I might just ignore it, as I say, I'm not a fan of console gaming. I'm more at home with a keyboard than a control pad.)


You should get a console for El Shaddai. You'd love it.

Like if you went to hell, and it was full of blood, and that blood was on fire, and it was raining blood, then maybe that would be enough blood! Eh… but probably not.


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:07 AM

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You should get a console for El Shaddai. You'd love it.


God wants me to have a console?

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 17 2012, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You should get a console for El Shaddai. You'd love it.


God wants me to have a console?

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(Maybe HE should buy me one, then.)


Mate, you'd love it. It's about a guy who is sent by heaven to stop some fallen angels, only he takes 300 years to find him and by the time he gets there half of them are dead of old age and one got eaten by a giant jellyfish.

Oh, and then Lucifer brings you a motorcycle from the future to fight a Triple Duobot thingy.

Like if you went to hell, and it was full of blood, and that blood was on fire, and it was raining blood, then maybe that would be enough blood! Eh… but probably not.


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Posted 17 February 2012 - 11:18 AM

My lack of a Gen 7 console is a few things:
Money
Limited gaming time (Consumed largely by D&D or MMOs)
Too few games to want a console
Generational Drift: 360's failure ratings, Wii's childish library, PS3's price

When the day comes, I will go PS3 out of brand loyalty.
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Posted 17 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

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When the day comes, I will go PS3 out of brand loyalty.

And then Playstation 4 comes out. icon-blitz.gif



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