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@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:11 AM)

@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.


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#1 MrBlud

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:54 PM

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#2 Echowarrior

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:27 AM

Okay, seeing as no one else has posted anything about it...

I feel like it could've used at least one more issue. No offense to any of the people involved in the production, but it felt rushed.

That said, Optimus Prime taking on Cthulhu? Awesome.
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Posted 23 February 2012 - 11:56 PM

Just read both issues, they went so fast it really needed more issues.

And while it was great returning to the Hearts of Steel universe, there were more Humans and Fish people then there were Transformers.

I also feel a little cheated, or maybe bait-and-switched, I was going to skip this but the first issue featured the Seacons, my favorite combiner team getting some page time, and I was hoping then end would be the Autobots fighting a cool Steampunk/Lovecraft Piranacon.

And they don't even appear in the second issue. icon-screamer.gif icon-megs.gif


Like I said it was great seeing the HoS-verse again, but I'd say the first Infestation was much better.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:02 PM

Could have been so much better. And how did Prime have a train mode before he even woke up?
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 02:34 AM

"Hey Optimus Prime, what happened?"
"Oh, I just beat up Cthulhu offscreen."

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:22 AM

What!?!

No steampunk Piranacon in a Cthulhu pretender shell? Or even Octopunch, who should have been in this story?!

I feel cheated...

Then again, these crossovers will culminate in a final issue, maybe something will happen there.

I hope Guido shares some of the Seacon designs, or Bonecrusher, later on.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:35 AM

QUOTE(Echowarrior @ Feb 19 2012, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That said, Optimus Prime taking on Cthulhu? Awesome.

Yeah, it would've been great to see!

QUOTE(Fenix Twilight @ Feb 23 2012, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also feel a little cheated, or maybe bait-and-switched, I was going to skip this but the first issue featured the Seacons, my favorite combiner team getting some page time, and I was hoping then end would be the Autobots fighting a cool Steampunk/Lovecraft Piranacon.

And they don't even appear in the second issue. icon-screamer.gif icon-megs.gif

Agreed. When a great shape rose out of the water, I was really hoping for Piranacon. Oh well.

This story felt like it was riding heavily on the established popularity and knowledge of both Cthulhu and TF. Dixon seemed way more interested in spending time with the humans. At least he's good with period dialect.

The art was gorgeous, though! Guidi's still at the top of his game. It would've been interesting to see Su take it on in his new Mignola-esque style - it would've been the closest thing to a TF/Hellboy crossover - but Guidi's style works very well too. Speaking of visuals, I noticed Wheeljack wielding swords. Ah, cross-pollination.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:15 AM

Dixon sure likes to set things up and then run out of room and then resolve everything in two pages sorta.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 28 2012, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dixon sure likes to set things up and then run out of room and then resolve everything in two pages sorta.

I agree the pacing was terrible, but it goes beyond that. For all the time spent on it, the setup wasn't really much of a setup at all. If Dixon had had 5-10 more pages to play out the conclusion, I don't know what else would've happened based on what came before. With the first Infestation, the solution was inherent in the nature of the problem: The zombies came from another universe, and they ended up banished to a third one. But there was no apparent solution to not-Cthulhu, who was portrayed as basically this really old creature who's been on Earth forever. The protagonists were focused on reviving Prime, but even as I was reading it I was wondering how and why his return would change anything. Unless he was going to use the Matrix (which hasn't been seen in this universe yet) as a weapon, what difference would one more TF make? The closest thing to Chekov's gun I could see was Tesla's electricity, which I suppose worked in the Real Ghostbusters, but would still have had the same fundamental problems as Prime's actual "solution." Maybe BB Shockwave's right, and we'll see the real climax in the primary Infestation comics.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:27 PM

Mostly it reminded me of the first Hearts of Steel crossover. All setup, no real conflict or resolution.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 28 2012, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mostly it reminded me of the first Hearts of Steel crossover. All setup, no real conflict or resolution.

Ah, right, I'd forgotten he did that one too. I wonder what the outlines looked like that he showed the editors before he wrote them.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 04:00 PM

Wasn't HOS originally going to be 6 issues though? Hence the rushed conclusion?


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 02:05 PM

Yeah, and this was supposed to be two issues from the start, as per the format of the last Infestation crossover. That excuse doesn't really carry over this time.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:17 AM

Yeah, in the first HoS we got a rushed ending because (The) Astrotrain forgot he can, yknow... fly.
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 02:17 AM

Pretty disappointing..oh well. I still appreciate what we got, but that offscreen fight at the end was terrible.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:15 PM

I'm glad I waited and only paid $1.99 for this on Comixology. I'd have felt even more cheated if I paid full price for it.

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