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Chuck Norris

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 August 2016 - 04:59 PM)

Goodnight, everybody!

@  Bass X0 : (26 August 2016 - 04:57 PM)

...I don't think so.

@  BlackMax : (26 August 2016 - 04:55 PM)

No no no, ~finger~prints!

@  ShadowMan024 : (26 August 2016 - 04:43 PM)

I'd say "Goodnight, everybody!" but no one's made an innuendo yet.

@  Bass X0 : (26 August 2016 - 04:39 PM)

Goodnight out there... whatever you are!

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 03:27 PM)

Goodnight, folks!

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 03:09 PM)

*drags TMM out of the Squawkbox to continue the fight*

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 02:26 PM)

I dunno, maybe the big guy's saving it for a special ocassion.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 01:16 PM)

Your spouse's brother is a PRIEST. If you were supposed to get hit by lightning, it would've happened by now.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 August 2016 - 11:31 AM)

Now I want to make devil's food cake with holy water just to see if I get hit by lightning or something.

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 10:10 AM)

I hope not. Ruins the flavour.

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 09:09 AM)

Did I put garlic or holy water in it or something?

@  Dracula : (26 August 2016 - 07:45 AM)

Cake? My only weakness! *bursts into flame*

@  MEDdMI : (26 August 2016 - 05:15 AM)

Happy Birthday! *rolls a giant cake into the Shoutbox*

@  Pennpenn : (26 August 2016 - 12:55 AM)

Happy birthday to me!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

Is the main dance move him flashing you in beat with the music?

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:50 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 04:48 PM)

HEEEEEEEEEEY FOODSTAMP LAAADAAAY

@  Broadside : (25 August 2016 - 04:45 PM)

Oppa Homeless Style?

@  LV! : (25 August 2016 - 01:01 PM)

That guy had a perfectly nice home, he just didn't want the neighbors to see you with him.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 August 2016 - 11:52 AM)

Did you at least buy him dinner?

@  Robowang : (25 August 2016 - 11:14 AM)

So I was making out with this random old homeless guy, and he stops and is all like "Why are you making out with me?" and I'm just like "Shut up, Homeless Guy."

@  Benbot : (25 August 2016 - 07:34 AM)

What?

@  MEDdMI : (25 August 2016 - 05:58 AM)

Aren't we the ones causing trouble for Kalidor?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (25 August 2016 - 12:17 AM)

Also, anyone know how to find the rest of how Kalidor got a kid in trouuuuuubleee?

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@ TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 03:20 AM) Why do you hate yourself? -- I don't, really. Whether good or ill, I'd like to know how RG1 goes so, if nothing else, I can actually talk about it from a place of experience.

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:58 PM)

I've seen Minority Report, I don't want to read the same thing except with superheroes and also shit

@  Verity Carlo : (24 August 2016 - 06:57 PM)

You know, what I hate about Civil War II the most is that it's not even trying to break out of the Minority Report shaped hole it's in.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?


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Something that bugs me about the new Prime toys.


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#1 Bug-Saw

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:06 AM

Prime and Megatron are suppose to be the main draws of every TF toyline, but their TF: Prime: RiD toys are made from a lot of transparent plastic which will probably crack and break within two years. To me, that kind of makes it feel like Hasbro isn't planning long term with this toyline. It kind of feels like Hasbro expects kids to get bored of Prime long before they end up breaking the toys of the two most important characters.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:10 AM

And then in two years when the toys break, the kids have to by another representation of Optimus and Megatron. Whereas if the toys remained intact, kids would have a lot less strong inclination to buy more toys of those same two characters.

Seems like they are looking at the long-term to me icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:19 AM

I don't think that's exactly what's going to happen. Plastic formulas on toys are different nowadays, and have different mechanical properties. I was fearing that my PCC caliburst was going to bite the dust early beacause he's comprised almost entirely of transluscent plastic. and god knows I've fiddled with the litlle bugger's arms and powerlinked him to nearly half of my collection but he's still solid. his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk, and maybe that helps the figures lifespan somehow.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:32 AM

None of my BM toys have broken and they're covered in clear plastic.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:38 AM

The clear plastic is actually rock candy.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 14 2012, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The clear plastic is actually rock candy.

Say goodbye PCC Minicons.

#7 Lazy Garou

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:40 AM

most of my BM stuff is okay but sadly that wasn't my case with BM Mirage. I bought him twice and bot times the shoulder pins were too tight , and the clear pieces broke, starting with a teeeensy crack. same with my Movie 1 Jazz sword cannon. I don't know if it's the weather here or anything, but some older toys plastics feel really stiff and not flexible at all compared to the new ones: My movie 1 legends movie barricade arms feel more fragile than his DOTM Cyberverse counterpart. Even a peg broke while just transforming him! but nothing happened to his DOTM self while doing the same thing.

Edited by Pony of Merak, 14 February 2012 - 10:41 AM.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE(Pony of Merak @ Feb 14 2012, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk,

I did notice this with the Animated toys. The transparent plastic seemed to become more flexible when the temperature was warm and didn't feel quit as brittle.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Feb 14 2012, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To me, that kind of makes it feel like Hasbro isn't planning long term with this toyline.


I don't think they're planning short-term with this toyline either.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:32 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Feb 14 2012, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pony of Merak @ Feb 14 2012, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk,

I did notice this with the Animated toys. The transparent plastic seemed to become more flexible when the temperature was warm and didn't feel quit as brittle.


DOTM roadbuster small back windows have this same feel you describe , in fact, except for the green plastic used for the car shell, he seems mostly made of a semi-fleshy plastic of sorts. it makes it hard for him to hold some of the mech tech weapons since the thumb bends and provides no solid grip, but is a minor inconvenience because of the forearm ports and the 3mm bars close to the hands.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Feb 14 2012, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pony of Merak @ Feb 14 2012, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk,

I did notice this with the Animated toys. The transparent plastic seemed to become more flexible when the temperature was warm and didn't feel quit as brittle.

That's physics for ya!
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 01:54 PM

Aside from plastic being a bit different and seemingly better now - a two year play pattern is probably about all Hasbro aims for with "average" kids. Maybe three at most. Don't forget, we are the anomaly in the equation. The target audience for say, Transmetal Megatron was not expected to still be tfing him fifteen or even ten years later. It sucks that he snaps at the waist now if you're not careful, but he met and exceeded his planned lifespan.
 
 
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:54 PM

yeah its not like the idea was ever for people to still have massive collections of the things for their grandkids to come over and look at all mint on card and graded.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Dake @ Feb 14 2012, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aside from plastic being a bit different and seemingly better now - a two year play pattern is probably about all Hasbro aims for with "average" kids. Maybe three at most. Don't forget, we are the anomaly in the equation. The target audience for say, Transmetal Megatron was not expected to still be tfing him fifteen or even ten years later. It sucks that he snaps at the waist now if you're not careful, but he met and exceeded his planned lifespan.

Transmetal Megatron thinks he's G1 Mirage!

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 14 2012, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And then in two years when the toys break, the kids have to by another representation of Optimus and Megatron. Whereas if the toys remained intact, kids would have a lot less strong inclination to buy more toys of those same two characters.

Seems like they are looking at the long-term to me icon-hotrod.gif

Moral questions about designed-to-fail products aside...

I'm pretty sure Hasbro would have to go even further down hill if they can't put out a better Prime and Megatron figure than the Prime line's figures. In fact, considering the absurd availability of Prime 1st edition... you know what? Never mind. I've got laundry I could be doing, and nails I could be clipping, and phone books I could be reading. All of which are far more interesting than talking about transformers these days it seems. icon-screamer.gif

Edited by MagmatronPrime, 14 February 2012 - 09:35 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE(MagmatronPrime @ Feb 14 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 14 2012, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And then in two years when the toys break, the kids have to by another representation of Optimus and Megatron. Whereas if the toys remained intact, kids would have a lot less strong inclination to buy more toys of those same two characters.

Seems like they are looking at the long-term to me icon-hotrod.gif

Moral questions about designed-to-fail products aside...

I'm pretty sure Hasbro would have to go even further down hill if they can't put out a better Prime and Megatron figure than the Prime line's figures. In fact, considering the absurd availability of Prime 1st edition... you know what? Never mind. I've got laundry I could be doing, and nails I could be clipping, and phone books I could be reading. All of which are far more interesting than talking about transformers these days it seems. icon-screamer.gif


One really has to stretch to state Hasbro is guilty of planned obsolescence. These aren't real cars and planes - they're plastic toys for what, ten to twelve year olds? I mean, I know we're all crusty and bitter that Hasbro hasn't done what we specifically want them to but one teeters on the brink of conspiracy theorists if one believes Hasbro actively designs toys to self-destruct in a couple of years. If that's truly the case they're actually doing a pretty lousy job considering the few that go bad compared to the many many MANY that do not.

And hey, if you're really that disappointed in Prime I've got great news for ya - there will be something new in a couple of years! icon-fire.gif
 
 
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:50 PM

I dislike the clear plastic because I don't think it looks good. Prime's arms just look weird.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:17 AM

QUOTE(Professor @ Feb 14 2012, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dislike the clear plastic because I don't think it looks good. Prime's arms just look weird.

This. I would be a lot less adverse to the RiD Prime if his arms wasn't so translucent. I mean, it looks like a neat gimmick, but yeah...

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:31 AM

I always worry more when its used as joints. The biggest contributer to this is E Demolishor. I don't know about others, but trying to move his elbows was always extremly stiff, and after few years, both elbows crumbled into dust. I've never had much problem with it when used otherwise. But It makes me always cuatious about my Animated Swindle as he has a lot of transparent joints.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:30 AM

My Demolishor is fine, too!



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