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@  Whirl Maximus : (29 July 2016 - 01:20 PM)

IDW G1 has been a victim of it's own success.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 01:23 AM)

Though frankly I prefer IDW Ratchet with a Marvel-style head rather than his current Prime-style head.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 July 2016 - 12:34 AM)

Like dual Fall of Cybertron-IDW G1 designs.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:55 PM)

And it at least shows that they're allowed to repurpose designs from other universes.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 10:54 PM)

Dark Cybertron was around when things showing up in toyline and comic together became a really major thing.

@  Waspinator : (28 July 2016 - 10:51 PM)

Given that that Starscream says "Armada Starscream" on his box, I assume the toy was meant to be Armada Starscream and was just re-purposed by IDW to be a body for their Starscream.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (28 July 2016 - 09:24 PM)

Hey, Bass X0. It's nice to see somene else paying attention to the distinctions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:44 PM)

Also, Albino Prime that isn't Magnus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 06:43 PM)

They made a toy that was IDW Starscream with an entirely Armada look.

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:53 PM)

Other than a change of gimmicks and physical appearance (i.e. Deluxe Galvatron), Hasbro generally keeps a familiar color scheme for the Generations toys. It may not always be perfect or completely accurate, but I can't think of a Generations toy that looks completely different in color scheme to how they should do. A quick l;ook around my room and I can't see anyone who is completely the wrong color scheme. I'd say the FoC Combaticons and Wreckers are the wrong colors, but they're not supposed to be the G1 characters so they get a pass.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 July 2016 - 05:45 PM)

The comics aren't beholden to previous G1 material, and the toyline doesn't have a strict need to follow the comics either so...

@  Bass X0 : (28 July 2016 - 05:40 PM)

And yet the comics are not damned. This is G1 Sentinel Prime, not Animated or Movie Sentinel Prime and so he should look the part to how G1 Sentinel Prime has been portrayed so far. An Animated Sentinel Prime color scheme can come later. I don't recall how important the G1 legacy of Primes (Convoys) is in Japan or even if they have Nova Prime, Sentinel Prime, and previous Primes. So maybe Takara will paint him as Animated Sentinel just because its what Japanese fans are most familiar with.  Sentinel Prime didn't have to have been a pre-use of the Astrotrain mold, indeed why even choose G1 Sentinel Prime at all after how long neglecting him?

@  OrionPax44 : (28 July 2016 - 02:02 PM)

Same here unluckiness. I bought him mostly for the Fire Guts look of the Titan Master.

@  unluckiness : (28 July 2016 - 08:38 AM)

I kinda like Fire Guts Sentinel Prime TBH. Though, I think the gray would have looked better as black.

@  Boomhauer : (28 July 2016 - 08:36 AM)

I would've been fine with the Bayformers 3 Sentinel colors, he looked slick.

@  Whirl Maximus : (28 July 2016 - 08:33 AM)

Same as Animated Sentinel Prime then, I bet he's a Functionist fundamentalist too!

@  Rycochet : (28 July 2016 - 08:07 AM)

Sentinel Prime's colour scheme is awful, they should have painted him in his animated deco, comics be damned.

@  Dracula : (28 July 2016 - 07:38 AM)

He's also orange

@  Paladin : (28 July 2016 - 07:23 AM)

kinda not enjoying my TR Sentinel Prime now that someone summed up his personality as "Make Cybertron Great Again."

@  OrionPax44 : (27 July 2016 - 04:51 PM)

Sounds pretty kinky.

@  Whirl Maximus : (27 July 2016 - 04:17 PM)

the wind blew the sun into the river. honest!

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 12:34 PM)

Sadly no orchestra for me, but we did have the TFA clip as well.

@  ChessPieceFace : (27 July 2016 - 12:17 PM)

I saw Weird Al at the Hollywood Bowl on Saturday, playing with a full orchestra. It was pretty special. And yes, Dare To Be Stupid! With an introductory video clip from TFA, no less.

@  Vexwing : (27 July 2016 - 11:33 AM)

Got to see Weird Al perform Dare to be Stupid in his set last night! That was a nice surprise.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 July 2016 - 01:40 AM)

TMW you see a bunch of people have liked something you posted while you were away, and you're like "what did I even say?!"

@  Bass X0 : (26 July 2016 - 05:26 PM)

Regarding MTMTE#55 being released early in some places, its okay to discuss the contents of the issue as long as spoilers are kept within the thread. I refuse to read discussion threads of comics I have yet to read to avoid being spoiled. I also find it pointless to go into a discussion thread and expect to not be spoiled if you have yet to read the issue (unless you don't care).

@  The Doctor Who : (26 July 2016 - 07:11 AM)

@Patchy 'cause people like how the kaiser rolls!

@  MEDdMI : (26 July 2016 - 05:47 AM)

I'm officially addicted to the Comics theme. Every other themes are dull and boring now, I can't stand to look at them for more than a few posts.

@  Broadside : (26 July 2016 - 03:59 AM)

"Beast Wars anniversary"? Highly dubious.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

How come everybody wanna keep it like the kaiser?

@  zephyrX9 : (26 July 2016 - 12:16 AM)

the kaiser stole our beast wars toys

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 08:35 PM)

beast wars dicketeth anniversary

@  Locoman : (25 July 2016 - 07:16 PM)

My story begins in nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say "dickety" because the Kaiser had stolen our word "twenty". I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-six miles.

@  Telly : (25 July 2016 - 05:21 PM)

its the rye of the kaiser its the thrill of the the fight

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 July 2016 - 05:18 PM)

Fierce Grape?

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 05:09 PM)

The Rye or the Kaiser.

@  tffan01 : (25 July 2016 - 04:55 PM)

watch?v=gyKOM3469_Y I've found this weird kids video.

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:20 PM)

Doozer Sticks

@  The Doctor Who : (25 July 2016 - 04:19 PM)

Fraggle Rock!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 04:18 PM)

Happy Pop (nauseating just saying it)

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 03:51 PM)

Hard Rock Hallelujah!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 03:48 PM)

Soggy Rock

@  Dracula : (25 July 2016 - 02:36 PM)

Tank Concrete!

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

the Third.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:16 PM)

Flint Chesthair!

@  OrionPax44 : (25 July 2016 - 02:12 PM)

Sheeps Butt Ramsbottom

@  MEDdMI : (25 July 2016 - 02:08 PM)

Fancypants

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 July 2016 - 02:01 PM)

Biggles.

@  Summer : (25 July 2016 - 01:55 PM)

Jones.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (25 July 2016 - 12:08 PM)

Osmosis.


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Something that bugs me about the new Prime toys.


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#1 Bug-Saw

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:06 AM

Prime and Megatron are suppose to be the main draws of every TF toyline, but their TF: Prime: RiD toys are made from a lot of transparent plastic which will probably crack and break within two years. To me, that kind of makes it feel like Hasbro isn't planning long term with this toyline. It kind of feels like Hasbro expects kids to get bored of Prime long before they end up breaking the toys of the two most important characters.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:10 AM

And then in two years when the toys break, the kids have to by another representation of Optimus and Megatron. Whereas if the toys remained intact, kids would have a lot less strong inclination to buy more toys of those same two characters.

Seems like they are looking at the long-term to me icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:19 AM

I don't think that's exactly what's going to happen. Plastic formulas on toys are different nowadays, and have different mechanical properties. I was fearing that my PCC caliburst was going to bite the dust early beacause he's comprised almost entirely of transluscent plastic. and god knows I've fiddled with the litlle bugger's arms and powerlinked him to nearly half of my collection but he's still solid. his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk, and maybe that helps the figures lifespan somehow.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:32 AM

None of my BM toys have broken and they're covered in clear plastic.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:38 AM

The clear plastic is actually rock candy.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 14 2012, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The clear plastic is actually rock candy.

Say goodbye PCC Minicons.

#7 Lazy Garou

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:40 AM

most of my BM stuff is okay but sadly that wasn't my case with BM Mirage. I bought him twice and bot times the shoulder pins were too tight , and the clear pieces broke, starting with a teeeensy crack. same with my Movie 1 Jazz sword cannon. I don't know if it's the weather here or anything, but some older toys plastics feel really stiff and not flexible at all compared to the new ones: My movie 1 legends movie barricade arms feel more fragile than his DOTM Cyberverse counterpart. Even a peg broke while just transforming him! but nothing happened to his DOTM self while doing the same thing.

Edited by Pony of Merak, 14 February 2012 - 10:41 AM.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE(Pony of Merak @ Feb 14 2012, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk,

I did notice this with the Animated toys. The transparent plastic seemed to become more flexible when the temperature was warm and didn't feel quit as brittle.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Feb 14 2012, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To me, that kind of makes it feel like Hasbro isn't planning long term with this toyline.


I don't think they're planning short-term with this toyline either.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:32 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Feb 14 2012, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pony of Merak @ Feb 14 2012, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk,

I did notice this with the Animated toys. The transparent plastic seemed to become more flexible when the temperature was warm and didn't feel quit as brittle.


DOTM roadbuster small back windows have this same feel you describe , in fact, except for the green plastic used for the car shell, he seems mostly made of a semi-fleshy plastic of sorts. it makes it hard for him to hold some of the mech tech weapons since the thumb bends and provides no solid grip, but is a minor inconvenience because of the forearm ports and the 3mm bars close to the hands.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

QUOTE(Bug-Saw @ Feb 14 2012, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Pony of Merak @ Feb 14 2012, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
his transluscent plastic and PCC pinpoint's seems to be a just a liiiitle gummier than the old energon clear-tinted gunk,

I did notice this with the Animated toys. The transparent plastic seemed to become more flexible when the temperature was warm and didn't feel quit as brittle.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 01:54 PM

Aside from plastic being a bit different and seemingly better now - a two year play pattern is probably about all Hasbro aims for with "average" kids. Maybe three at most. Don't forget, we are the anomaly in the equation. The target audience for say, Transmetal Megatron was not expected to still be tfing him fifteen or even ten years later. It sucks that he snaps at the waist now if you're not careful, but he met and exceeded his planned lifespan.
 
 
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:54 PM

yeah its not like the idea was ever for people to still have massive collections of the things for their grandkids to come over and look at all mint on card and graded.
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Dake @ Feb 14 2012, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aside from plastic being a bit different and seemingly better now - a two year play pattern is probably about all Hasbro aims for with "average" kids. Maybe three at most. Don't forget, we are the anomaly in the equation. The target audience for say, Transmetal Megatron was not expected to still be tfing him fifteen or even ten years later. It sucks that he snaps at the waist now if you're not careful, but he met and exceeded his planned lifespan.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 14 2012, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And then in two years when the toys break, the kids have to by another representation of Optimus and Megatron. Whereas if the toys remained intact, kids would have a lot less strong inclination to buy more toys of those same two characters.

Seems like they are looking at the long-term to me icon-hotrod.gif

Moral questions about designed-to-fail products aside...

I'm pretty sure Hasbro would have to go even further down hill if they can't put out a better Prime and Megatron figure than the Prime line's figures. In fact, considering the absurd availability of Prime 1st edition... you know what? Never mind. I've got laundry I could be doing, and nails I could be clipping, and phone books I could be reading. All of which are far more interesting than talking about transformers these days it seems. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE(MagmatronPrime @ Feb 14 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(NightViper @ Feb 14 2012, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And then in two years when the toys break, the kids have to by another representation of Optimus and Megatron. Whereas if the toys remained intact, kids would have a lot less strong inclination to buy more toys of those same two characters.

Seems like they are looking at the long-term to me icon-hotrod.gif

Moral questions about designed-to-fail products aside...

I'm pretty sure Hasbro would have to go even further down hill if they can't put out a better Prime and Megatron figure than the Prime line's figures. In fact, considering the absurd availability of Prime 1st edition... you know what? Never mind. I've got laundry I could be doing, and nails I could be clipping, and phone books I could be reading. All of which are far more interesting than talking about transformers these days it seems. icon-screamer.gif


One really has to stretch to state Hasbro is guilty of planned obsolescence. These aren't real cars and planes - they're plastic toys for what, ten to twelve year olds? I mean, I know we're all crusty and bitter that Hasbro hasn't done what we specifically want them to but one teeters on the brink of conspiracy theorists if one believes Hasbro actively designs toys to self-destruct in a couple of years. If that's truly the case they're actually doing a pretty lousy job considering the few that go bad compared to the many many MANY that do not.

And hey, if you're really that disappointed in Prime I've got great news for ya - there will be something new in a couple of years! icon-fire.gif
 
 
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Posted 14 February 2012 - 11:50 PM

I dislike the clear plastic because I don't think it looks good. Prime's arms just look weird.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:17 AM

QUOTE(Professor @ Feb 14 2012, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dislike the clear plastic because I don't think it looks good. Prime's arms just look weird.

This. I would be a lot less adverse to the RiD Prime if his arms wasn't so translucent. I mean, it looks like a neat gimmick, but yeah...

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 12:31 AM

I always worry more when its used as joints. The biggest contributer to this is E Demolishor. I don't know about others, but trying to move his elbows was always extremly stiff, and after few years, both elbows crumbled into dust. I've never had much problem with it when used otherwise. But It makes me always cuatious about my Animated Swindle as he has a lot of transparent joints.

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 09:30 AM

My Demolishor is fine, too!



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