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@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 02:39 PM)

the debate sems to be over.

@  MEDdMI : (24 August 2016 - 02:37 PM)

Wouldn't it be easier to debate this in the comics subforum?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:31 PM)

I don't have anything else to say (although I still think G2 is the true ending, even if G I Joe doesn't mention it, it seems G I Joe/G2 crossover isn't canon for G I Joe comics but only for the Transformers continuity)

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:29 PM)

ok whatever you won.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:27 PM)

that's why I said "if", I dunno I didn't read G2 or G I Joe. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:26 PM)

Also,you're still basing this entirely on G2 matching a storyline that was part of G2 itself rather than whether or not G2 matches better with the G1 comic proper.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:24 PM)

The idea kind of falls apart when it requires that the apocalyptic alien invasions had such little impact that everyone easily just ignored forever.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:17 PM)

If some issues of G I Joe comics is a prelude to G2 and if there's nothing in the future G I Joe stories that condradicts San Francisco getting destroyed, yes I would say they share a continuity. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

If you're gonna go "we can assume it did happen even though it's never talked about as long as nothing specifically contradicts it", then surely it's just as easy to assume that the actual G1 TF and Joe crossover happened in the backstory of Classics and RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 01:02 PM)

also I refrained from mentioning Ask Vector Prime but but didn't it say RG1 is a splinter timeline?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:58 PM)

has san francisco ever appeared in G I Joe stories that was chronologically set after G2?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:55 PM)

Intent is not the same as result. And comics end up ignoring things quite often.

@  Telly : (24 August 2016 - 12:54 PM)

maybe they figured a lot of people that read gi joe also read transformers. so they throw a crossover/build up in their to get some excitement for the new comic coming

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:51 PM)

If G2 universe was to be unrelated to G I Joe, why did they do a prelude to it?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:33 PM)

Classics and RG1 not including Joe issues 138-145 in their backstory does not preclude them from including TF 1-80, or even the Joe and TF miniseries.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:30 PM)

Marvel 616 is also a massive continuity snarl from dozens of writers altering, retconning, or ignoring each others' work for decades, so it's not really a great example for an argument on continuity.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:29 PM)

Marvel 616 continuity is a shared universe, devastating events happens in individual series but does mean every event gets mentioned in other comics? @Notvery knightly, yeah that's why I edited that post.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:27 PM)

Your proof for "TF universe = Joe universe" itself is the G2 lead-up, so your reasoning still goes back to G2 matching G2.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

So did GI Joe ever reference the time Bludgeon sent his entire force to rampage across the Earth? Or the time Jhiaxus blew San Francisco into a crater?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:25 PM)

whatever.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:22 PM)

Are you not seeing the recursiveness of "G2 is the true G1 sequel because G2 follows up on a G2 storyline"?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:18 PM)

Yeah it has been established that Marvel Transformers and G I Joe comics takes place in the same universe. Unless 90s G I Joe was a reboot I'm pretty sure the G2 crossing over to a G I Joe comic that takes place in the very same universe as the original Transformers makes G2 the canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:16 PM)

A crossover that the Joe comic apparently ignored.

@  Arazyr : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

They had a crossover before that, 1986. http://tfwiki.net/wi...he_Transformers

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:15 PM)

Did G.I. Joe acknowledge the planet getting wrecked by the Swarm? Because otherwise it's more like "Marvel Transformers is the same universe as Marvel G.I. Joe only when they feel like it".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 12:11 PM)

You're using the G.I. Joe G2 prequel itself as the basis for "Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe", which makes this a rather loopy argument.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 12:07 PM)

As I said before, Marvel Transformers universe is the same universe as the Marvel G I Joe. Marvel G I Joe crossovers with G2, which makes G2 the canon ending. 

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:59 AM)

How is that relevant to whether or not RG1 (or Classics, even) takes place after issues 1 through 80 of Marvel TF proper?

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:51 AM)

it's a prequel to G2, which makes it the same universe as G2.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:48 AM)

That's clearly not in G2 itself, seeing as it's G.I. Joe issue 138.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:45 AM)

@NotVrtyKnightly Im talking about these issues. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Unfoldings!

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:30 AM)

Now for my part, I consider Marvel G2/Alignment the "true" ending because of Simon Furman's involvement in it, its continuous narrative with Marvel G1, and its sequential publication.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (24 August 2016 - 11:28 AM)

The nature of multiple spinoffs/branching timelines means that to call any one spinoff the "true" ending is an arbitrary decision.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:16 AM)

Joe doesn't take place "in G2". Even their Marvel TF-related history isn't confined entirely to a single publication from the 90s.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:08 AM)

Look, oirignal Marvel Transformers takes place in the same universe as G I Joe and G I Joe takes place in the same universe as G2, which makes G2 the true canon ending.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

And it's not like anyone would argue that Rebirth wasn't actually the fourth season of the Sunbow cartoon entirely based on the lack of Ramirez and Old Snake.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 11:07 AM)

No you don't get it, I'm not saying RG1 is "less true" because G I Joe doesn't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:54 AM)

Also, it's set decades later and earth was wrecked. Surely you don't need an explanation of why the Joes don't show up.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 10:53 AM)

None of that makes RG1 less "true".

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 10:41 AM)

How is it odd? G I joe and Transformers are canonically in the same continuty. Marvel Transformers continuity is a shared universe. G I Joe is canon and they had a crossover with G2, which makes it canon too, simple as that.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

an odd thing to say, surely.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (24 August 2016 - 09:30 AM)

If you haven't read them, picking one over the other because of the presence of G.I. Joes is just

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:24 AM)

Also even though it's not officially published, I believe Alignment is canon since it was referenced in Ask Vector Prime and Allspark Almanac.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 09:22 AM)

I don't have an opinion on neither G2 or RG1 since I didn't read them.

@  Dracula : (24 August 2016 - 07:54 AM)

G2 was kind of miserable but even that is preferable to RG1.

@  tffan01 : (24 August 2016 - 07:14 AM)

I don't think RG1 is the true ending to the Marvel because G. I Joe was in the same continuity as Transformers and they had a crossover with G2, not RG1 (obviously RG1 didn't exist back then). So G2/Alignment is the true ending.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 August 2016 - 02:20 AM)

Why do you hate yourself?

@  LBD "Nyt... : (24 August 2016 - 12:45 AM)

I still need to read everything after Vol. 1 of RG1...

@  Telly : (23 August 2016 - 11:47 PM)

i really wouldve liked to see rg1 pick up where the marvel run left off (or just a couple years after), instead of jumping 20 years. i wanna see how shit went down on earth

@  Dracula : (23 August 2016 - 09:54 PM)

After RG1, I'd just as soon have nobody ever touch the marvel continuity again


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:49 PM

What would a Generation 3 look like?

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

Beast Wars.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:52 PM

If you regard it as the evolution of the Transformers as a race, probably Beast Machines.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:54 PM

an idol group made up of 3 separate female Transformers from different teams

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:54 PM

If we're extrapolating from G1 and G2, G3 would look like G1 and G2.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:56 PM

Isn't there a G5?

Gen3 would look like Gen2, except produced in the earlier 2000s so I'm going to assume that rather than 90s as heck, it would instead look Grimdark as heck. Everyone would be gritty realistic repaints with ridiculous battle damage and any new molds would have scowls all the time

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:58 PM

Well that's why I answered the way I did. Generation 2 as a toy line was a lot of G1 guys painted in crazy colors.. but as a story that was being told the Generation 2 Transformers were on Off Shoot race of Transformers who considered the Generation 1 guys to be outdated ancestors.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:01 PM

All G3 TFs would be made of delicious candy.

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:02 PM

Would it be rock candy? So in theory the Rock Lords are Generation 3.

Case closed!

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:03 PM

^ Boss!

Transformers is a brand that really has something for everyone. We are a darn lucky fandom.

 

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:06 PM

Transformers: Grandchildren.

QUOTE(orionpax44 @ Jun 24 2012, 01:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Childrens toys? whaa the boxes seriously say ages 5+ I consider myself the plus.
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You're talking to ▲ndrusi. Assume everything that he posts is snark.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:26 PM

A line of knock-off G1 figures.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:18 AM

QUOTE(Hora Hora @ Feb 11 2012, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Beast Wars.



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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:31 AM

Hmm

Okay, you know what? Let's do this logically.

G1 to G2:

Recut rebroadcast cartoon

Hideous garish recolours of old toys and a few new ones

Short-lived comic-book which was grimdark and gritty and EXTREME



So then G3 would be


Completely new cartoon that contradicts previous shows and features characters acting wildy different (Starscream is loyal,the contructicons ditch the decepticons and join the autobots after two episodes, the Dinobots are smart, Soundwave talks like a normal guy)

Reserved, dulled military-style repaints with decals and serial numbers, and uses soft pastel colours for highlights

long-running comic book that is pleasant and positive, with a relaxed pace and a very slow, deliberate mystery plot

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:42 AM

I always thought of Classics/Universe/Generations as sort of a G3.
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:44 AM

Oh yeah, and all the comic covers would be of Transformers lazing about, looking thoughtful, or painting modern art.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 01:47 AM

Man, if we use the MLP system for reckoning generations, we're up to what, Generation 9 or 10?

#18 LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 03:02 AM

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Feb 12 2012, 01:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, if we use the MLP system for reckoning generations, we're up to what, Generation 9 or 10?


Funny, I was just wondering that earlier-- glad this topic was made to save me the trouble.

It might seem simple at first, but then, how does one count concurrent generations, i.e. Beast Wars and Machine Wars?

I guess that since G2 continued G1, then sequential lines would be different generations as well-- Beast Wars and Beast Machines, for example, and AEC would be three separate generations as well.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 03:15 AM

G1,G2, MW is G2.5 BW/BM is G3

rid is H1

Armada is Ut1
Energon is UT2
Cybertron is UT3

Prime is G1

then we have Lam1-3 which are the FU-niverse

(see how the 2 kinda g1 based parallel universes are lettered on either side of G icon-arcee.gif )

the G3 toyline also includes any 'Universe' toy because of how Beastmachines ended
With Takara's current cheesecakey track record, I don't doubt she fires the Fusion Railgun on her back by bending over at the waist and blushing o//o

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 07:04 AM

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Feb 11 2012, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, if we use the MLP system for reckoning generations, we're up to what, Generation 9 or 10?

Most of the fandoms that use "Generation" as a name for their toys tend to do it as a line-wide shift of engineering.

For instance, GI Joe is G1 until Valor vs Venom happened, and the basic buck and sculpting style changed. 25th Anniversary is G3.

We apparently ignore misnomers like GI Joe EXTREME, though.



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